Wickham Green too Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, BachelorBoy said: Even with such a clear photo, it is still impossible to tell what the actual colour is. There are many shades of blue on the loco in the image. Pixellating the image helps to show that. Er ........ that's rather why my first suggestion was to take the model paint samples over to York for comparison ( in various lighting conditions ) using the Mk1 eyeball ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 18 minutes ago, BachelorBoy said: Does anyone know a member of the Order of the Garter who might be able to help ? Does this help? BTW it is different from Traffic Blue!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Gold ROSSPOP Posted July 24, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2023 35 minutes ago, BachelorBoy said: Does anyone know a member of the Order of the Garter who might be able to help ? I know many Morris Dancers ......will they Do????🤪 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 If you swot up on the order, you’ll learn they’ve changed the colour several times! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted July 24, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2023 Looking at a colour that has been photographed or scanned and then put up on a screen to view is not, in my view, a good way of viewing colours. I have a small pot of genuine LNER "Grass Green" and a flake of genuine LNER Garter Blue paint plus a pot of genuine buffer beam Vermillion. I also have a colour "swatch" painted in the green. I have tried scanning it and photographing it to show people what the green should look like and what appears on the screen and what I am holding in my hand are two quite different colours. We also have the problem that the paints and samples I have are now many decades old and may have changed, although they have been stored in the dark, well wrapped up and away from any light. Blue, in particular, is a colour that tends to fade badly, as evidenced by the variation on colours on BR diesels during the blue period. So the colour a blue loco goes out of the paintshop may well not be the same colour it would be a year later. The colour photos of A4s are very likely when they had been in traffic for a while so my show a faded version of the blue colour, plus you have all the problems with older colour photos to add to the changes when scanning and showing on a screen. What I will say is that my sample, which is a tiny chip that I inherited (I don't know where it came from originally), is quite a dark colour, which surprised me somewhat. It is almost the "Oxford Blue" used by the LNER for departmental stock, road vehicles etc. So I am not convinced that it is right. Looking at the three model paints illustrated, I would suggest that the sample No 2 might be best for an ex works brand new loco and 1 and 3 represent it after a while in traffic, showing a bit of fading. The comments about "Deltic" are interesting. I have told the tale before but we had a Bachmann model running on Roy Jackson's Retford layout when there was a visit from Retford Model Railway Club (Bassetlaw Society). Two or three people were saying that the model was too dark a blue but one chap stood up for Bachmann and said that the blue on the model was what he remembered when he saw it coming out of the works when it was brand new. It ran on the WCML for a while then went to the ECML. The Retford locals saw it after the blue faded, so to them the model was too dark. Both were quite right! 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BachelorBoy Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) I'm reminded of the American judge who said he couldn't define what hard-core pornography was, but he knew it when he saw it. Edited July 24, 2023 by BachelorBoy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BachelorBoy Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Nearholmer said: If you swot up on the order, you’ll learn they’ve changed the colour several times! I learn so much when I interact on this forum :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Another one for the mix: Dominion of Canada at Exporail shortly after returning from cosmetic overhaul. Sadly the loco has now been relegated to a back shed which is disgraceful. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ROSSPOP Posted July 24, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2023 I`ll continue this thread as the painting commences. The chassis is completed with Slaters drivers in place of the dreadful and unusable( as a working model) Hatchette offerings. Priming will be done with Railmatch HMG etch primer using an Aztec airbrush with Orange 0.7 nozzle. ( less metal to be aggravated by an etch primer) 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Following my earlier posting I have rescanned the appropriate reference with scanning auto settings turned off and the equivalent BSI colour sample for comparison. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Whatever colour it ends up, you’ve done a cracking job with that Hackett kit, which is famously tricky to get a good result from. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted July 24, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2023 24 minutes ago, ROSSPOP said: I`ll continue this thread as the painting commences. The chassis is completed with Slaters drivers in place of the dreadful and unusable( as a working model) Hatchette offerings. Priming will be done with Railmatch HMG etch primer using an Aztec airbrush with Orange 0.7 nozzle. ( less metal to be aggravated by an etch primer) Looks superb. I discovered the existence of those wheels when I bought some off ebay that were advertised as Slaters'. Soon got them refunded, but the seller is still selling them as such even though I have reported them several times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ROSSPOP Posted July 24, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2023 51 minutes ago, Bucoops said: Looks superb. I discovered the existence of those wheels when I bought some off ebay that were advertised as Slaters'. Soon got them refunded, but the seller is still selling them as such even though I have reported them several times. Thanks Mick, yes I`ve seen them too....I expected that to happen even Hatchette`s replacements were bad. There must be plenty still around. John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ROSSPOP Posted July 25, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2023 First time use of Railmatch etch black primer thinned 50/50 with Railmatch etched Primer thinner. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Get Garter...? Sorry, couldn't resist 😉 Back on topic - quite a few years ago now I bought a stash of Humbrol 222 blue which I used as BR blue, I liked using it as it took the weathering I applied on top very well, but when applied over a light grey undercoat it looked much lighter and more like garter blue. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BachelorBoy Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 (edited) Ok, now that Garter Blue has been sorted out, which of these locos have been painted in the correct colour? Edited July 26, 2023 by BachelorBoy 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ROSSPOP Posted July 26, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2023 32 minutes ago, BachelorBoy said: Ok, now that Garter Blue has been sorted out, which of these locos have been painted in the correct colour? The true Railway motive colour is always Green....Pure Green.......😇 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 It’s true: you can’t improve upon green. Oh, actually, thinking about it: you can. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ROSSPOP Posted July 26, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: It’s true: you can’t improve upon green. Oh, actually, thinking about it: you can. Nah! PURE GREEN!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted July 26, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2023 28 minutes ago, ROSSPOP said: The true Railway motive colour is always Green....Pure Green.......😇 Ok you asked for it 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ROSSPOP Posted July 26, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2023 Has to be as green as a green thing on a green bean from a green field in Greenland ........ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ROSSPOP Posted July 26, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2023 Meanwhile...back in the shed, the battle goes on... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 3 hours ago, BachelorBoy said: Ok, now that Garter Blue has been sorted out, which of these locos have been painted in the correct colour? All of the above! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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