RMweb Gold ikcdab Posted October 12, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2023 I am doing the conversion on the Hornby D167 buffet car to fill in the windows as per the 1950s conversions. I have been following the excellent articles here: https://highlandmiscellany.com/2015/08/23/the-cruellest-cut-carrying-on-with-hornbys-gresley-buffet/ However, i have a snag. The space to the right of the kitchen door is 80mm for new panneling.. To the left of the door is 37mm, but out of this needs to come 8mm for the new half window, so leaving about 29mm of new panelling. All the pictures i have seen, such as this: https://www.flickr.com/photos/oldrailpics/31776924807/in/pool-2178722@N22/ appear to show the new panels equally sized - there are 7 to the right of the kitchen door and 3 (plus the new half window) to the left. If thats the case, then the maths doesnt add up. To the right the panels would be 80mm /7 = 11.4mm wide, but to the left they would be 29mm / 3 = 9.6mm wide. so what am i doing wrong? is it perspective in the pictures that seems to show the panels all the same size or something else? Here is where i am so far with it with a scale to show the issue: any advice? Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Does this image help? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ikcdab Posted October 12, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, MikeTrice said: Does this image help? Ah yes, many thanks. The three panels to the left are slightly smaller. Thanks again Ian 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 12, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2023 Hi Ian This is my take on the refurbished Dia 167. My part started Dia 167 (right hand) along side the refurbished Dia 275. Both needing the new panels. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ikcdab Posted October 12, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: Hi Ian This is my take on the refurbished Dia 167. My part started Dia 167 (right hand) along side the refurbished Dia 275. Both needing the new panels. Excellent thanks. Just what I needed. So internally, what changes were made to the bar area? Do I need to change the Hornby interior moulding? Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trestrol Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) The bar was much smaller and the roof above it was boxed in. Extra seats as well as the bar wasn't as long. The wall profile internally was altered, although I doubt you want to model that. . The most horrible Formica was used and they moved the kitchen door in the corridor so it didn't line up with the external doors anymore. That's all I can remember off the top of my head. The half window in the kitchen is actually a cut down full size one. Edited October 12, 2023 by Trestrol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 This isn't good. My Teak addiction was in remission. Now if d myself going out to the shed to take a close look at my pre war example. How hard would it be to build another Kirk buffet to post war condition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trestrol Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Only the best railway carriages were varnished teak. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Probably the best the Lash'em, Crash'em & Dash'em could muster in the late eighties ..... Sheffield Park : 12/3/11 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trestrol Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Only the best railway carriages were varnished teak. ECJS RTO 189. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Did the conversions retain the art deco tubular chairs? I travelled in the restored one on the NNR the other month and they are of the slightly uncomfortable kind found in some buffet cars, presumably designed to stop people hogging them for too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trestrol Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 No they had the BR style loose chairs. The LNER loose chairs were discarded. Most ending up in the Railway Institute gymnasium in York. The NRM's in and LNERCA's buffets both have original chairs recovered from their. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted October 13, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Trestrol said: No they had the BR style loose chairs. The LNER loose chairs were discarded. Most ending up in the Railway Institute gymnasium in York. The NRM's in and LNERCA's buffets both have original chairs recovered from their. I seem to recall that the North Norfolk's one had them from there as well but the sea air played havoc so they got some produced in stainless steel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 56 minutes ago, Bucoops said: I seem to recall that the North Norfolk's one had them from there as well but the sea air played havoc so they got some produced in stainless steel? Not sure whether they ever recovered any genuine chairs but I seem to recall that when it was first restored in the early 80s, the chairs were reproduced along with some of the bar fittings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trestrol Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 I thought they had all new made. The chairs recovered for LNERCA'S buffet were in remarkable condition despite their age. Most had been painted over the original chrome. The paint removed ok and the chrome was in tip top condition underneath. I don't think we had them rechromed. Most still had their original Rexine covers. Red or blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted October 13, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2023 I could very well be wrong - I'm thinking back to an article I read in probably the 1990s... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ikcdab Posted October 13, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) Does anyone have any interior photos they could post or link to as they were after the conversions? Loads of pics online but I'm not sure if they are representational of how they were in the 1950s / 1960s. Edited October 13, 2023 by ikcdab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trestrol Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 (edited) I haven't. But if you can find an interior picture of the NRMs buffet there is a screen half way down the carriage. This is part of the BR conversion. It has the half round windows in it. Forgot about these on the LNERCA website. Two pictures that may help. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lnerca/albums/72157626812937847/ Edited October 14, 2023 by Trestrol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Trestrol said: But if you can find an interior picture of the NRMs buffet there is a screen half way down the carriage. This is part of the BR conversion. It has the half round windows in it. As suggested: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 On 12/10/2023 at 11:32, ikcdab said: I am doing the conversion on the Hornby D167 buffet car to fill in the windows as per the 1950s conversions. If all else fails etch brass sides are available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted October 14, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2023 25 minutes ago, billbedford said: If all else fails etch brass sides are available. Pedantically not as they are out of stock, but it has given me an idea, do I need a Hornby donor? Pasty faced Englishman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 These might come in handy in 4mm and 7mm https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/276014534743?hash=item4043bf9057:g:zYAAAOSwANNk6GK5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trestrol Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, MikeTrice said: As suggested: Nearly but a bit of a halfway house. The stills boiler is boxed in and the door from behind the counter to the kitchen is in the wrong place. Both BR mods. Plus the over bar box is Not LNER but the counter is. It's a right hitch potch. There's another picture on line taken from the non-kitchen end that shows the modified screen. The one in the top picture is as originalish. Edited October 14, 2023 by Trestrol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted October 14, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2023 My idea could get complicated! Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 28 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Pedantically not as they are out of stock, but it has given me an idea, do I need a Hornby donor? Pendantically, No. You could build the rest of the body from parts from other suppliers, eg Dart Castings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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