Pete Piszczek Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Another strange thing was how the story then went full circle as the Class 56 copied numerous 'successful' features of the Brush design only for depot and regional M&EE organisations to find they had been based on the original drawings and not the numerous mods applied in order to make various things reliable. Now days it is more a case of 'we will revise the 2D drawings', but we don't have the funds to go back and change the 3D models. I better say Lion, lest this post get over moderated as well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 I better say Lion, lest this post get over moderated as well... S'alright; you haven't added a wishlist for everything you wish that everyone would re-model Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 After a chat with Heljan concerning the fans. They as as depicted in the published pictures. A great shame as it lets down an otherwise stunning model. I was told it was because it is the only place where to fit a speaker. A visit to Shawplan provided me with a pair of Brush type 4 grills and fans, which I was assured by both Heljan and Howes are the same size. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vac_basher Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 That's dissapointing news about the fans. If they did better fans then surely it would be possible to fit a speaker in the fuel tank.... So I guess on the plus side they'll be doing a sound version too? I do wonder what the ol' Lion sounded like anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed-farms Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 So I guess on the plus side they'll be doing a sound version too? Or they could just be leaving space forthe speaker for those who want to fit one, either way I will still get mine, just hope the fan and grills are easily replaced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted November 22, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2010 Personally I think it's a weak excuse, as it's very easy to produce a small fan unit under the grills that could easily be removed for a speaker to go in, not unlike Hornby and Bachmann have done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 22, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2010 What a peculiar idea - but if they fancy losing sales I s'pose it's one way of doing it (and they'll still sell them all anyway I expect). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Personally I think it's a weak excuse, as it's very easy to produce a small fan unit under the grills that could easily be removed for a speaker to go in, not unlike Hornby and Bachmann have done. You must take into account of the tooling costs associated with small production runs. I am sure Heljan and other manufacturers work out a target cost and tool up appropiate to this. I must add that the moulding of the roof fans on their Brush type 4s is very good for something so shallow. But the fact that the fans on Lion are red causes a problem doing it this way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 So I guess on the plus side they'll be doing a sound version too? I do wonder what the ol' Lion sounded like anyway. Mmm, let me think... Lion - Sulzer 12LDA28C engine, 2750hp. Class 47 - Sulzer 12LDA28C engine, 2750hp. Nope, I'm struggling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 But didn't the horn go Rooooo-awarrrrrr rather than Spoooo-oowon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Mmm, let me think... Lion - Sulzer 12LDA28C engine, 2750hp Class 47 - Sulzer 12LDA28C engine, 2750hp. Nope, I'm struggling Lion may have had a different design of silencer to the class 47 though. Certainly it had two exhaust ports, so maybe the exhaust sound would have slightly different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Lion may have had a different design of silencer to the class 47 though. Certainly it had two exhaust ports, so maybe the exhaust sound would have slightly different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 22, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2010 Lion may have had a different design of silencer to the class 47 though. Certainly it had two exhaust ports, so maybe the exhaust sound would have slightly different. It's a long time ago but I don't think it sounded quite the same for some reason but it might be that 'Lion' used an engine built on Sulzer's home ground instead of the Barrow built ones so it had a different accent (more likely the silencing was different in some way?). I don't know what would have happened with mass production but in general those who worked on both thought the Brush Type 4 was a cheapo copy of 'Lion' and wasn't as good - but then the Brush design was a bundle of unreliability when new so that no doubt influenced opinions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest baldrick25 Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Lion was a lot more 'throaty' under power than any 47 , so I presume it was a lot less silencer ( or two) onboard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Lion may have had a different design of silencer to the class 47 though. Certainly it had two exhaust ports, so maybe the exhaust sound would have slightly different. Maybe it had, to use the technical term a phat exhaust pipe like my neighbour's Focus? Presumably Lion didn't get the same anglo-saxon exclamations that the passing of his car gets though . I always think Lion looks like a Hymek on steroids with the same cab design but the extra wheels and that pod on the roof! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Lion may have had a different design of silencer to the class 47 though. Certainly it had two exhaust ports, so maybe the exhaust sound would have slightly different. Actually Lloyd, Lion only had one exhaust port and we used the official BRCW drawing for that on the model. I know other drawings of Lion in books show two ports but the fact is there was only one, much like that on a 47. Glad you liked the model. My recollection of Lion was that it sounded much like a Peak, I only saw it three times, once at Stratford and twice at the Cross. The Eastern men nicknamed it 'Lenny' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 The Eastern men nicknamed it 'Lenny' I can see why - dressed out in white like that, it had to be in showbiz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34040 Posted December 24, 2010 Share Posted December 24, 2010 I can see why - dressed out in white like that, it had to be in showbiz At least I'm not the only old git on here. I wonder how many others remember "Lennie the Lion" and the bloke who had his hand up his bottom, Terry Hall? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted December 24, 2010 Share Posted December 24, 2010 ... the bloke who had his hand up his bottom ... Would that be a related condition to 'foot in mouth' disease? The strange 'humpbacked' appearance of Lion was a notable deficit in external appearance compared to the externally neat Brush type 4. Whatever the internal shortcomings of the latter, the exterior looked good at launch, notably tidier and more compact than anything of comparable power output among BR diesels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34040 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Have had a newsletter from Kernow saying that they expect their first delivery in February. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed-farms Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 And Modelfair said the same thing too, looking forward to getting my hands on this beast. Soon have them all lined up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 At least I'm not the only old git on here. I wonder how many others remember "Lennie the Lion" and the bloke who had his hand up his bottom, Terry Hall? Terry Hall? THE SPECIALS' frontman, later of the FUN BOY THREE and solo success, surely not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34040 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Terry Hall? THE SPECIALS' frontman, later of the FUN BOY THREE and solo success, surely not No, you're too young. Your's was more likely to have his hand up Bananarama. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34040 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Have just found a bit of film on Youtube (of Lion, not Terry Hall). www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW9-s_J53N8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest baldrick25 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Have just found a bit of film on Youtube (of Lion, not Terry Hall). www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW9-s_J53N8 The URL contained a malformed video link was the message I got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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