Early Risers.

[monkeysarefun]

1 hour ago, PhilJ W said:

Not only is it the healthiest of all red meats it is far healthier than some fish and a lot healthier than intensively farmed chicken and turkey.

Apparently its actually Kangaroo that holds that spot, all things considered, also kangaroos are less harmful to the environment so farming them commercially would be a lot less damaging than other meat sources. they also require a lot less water and food than other grazing animals.

 

Pretty much no one eats them here though because you see them hopping around the paddocks and bush and they look too cute with the little baby heads sticking out of pouches etc, , they  do better overseas where they aren't  present  as a wild animal to see them in the natural environment.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/is-kangaroo-the-best-red-meat-on-the-planet-2106610.html

 

Edited July 28, 2023 by monkeysarefun

[Joseph_Pestell]

15 hours ago, grandadbob said:

Not bought Heinz beans for a long time, it's always Branston here.

 

Talking to my mate Russ next door earlier and it appears his youngest daughter who is a keen sports fan was struck in the face by a cricket ball clouted by Harry Brook at The Oval today.  Waiting for her to come home to see how much damage there is.

 

She can't be that much of a fan. She was not watching the ball.

 

Some fine batting from Brook yesterday on a day when conditions were so difficult. I think that we are in for a few years of stylish batting performances from the England team.

[tigerburnie]

1 hour ago, PhilJ W said:

Thats why I eat venison. In the UK all venison is culled from wild herds and is killed in a similar manner to that described above. Not only is it the healthiest of all red meats it is far healthier than some fish and a lot healthier than intensively farmed chicken and turkey. It is also cheaper than beef at certain times of the year due to the timing of the cull. The cull is essential for the health of the herd, if they weren't culled the herd would become too large for its range resulting in a shortage of food causing starvation and disease

Actually Phil a large amount is farmed, there's a Red Deer farm just outside Forfar, who is a large supplier in the area. There's a semi captive herd on Bradgate Park in Leicestershire that supplies venison, I remember that in the early 1960's.

[tigerburnie]

58 minutes ago, monkeysarefun said:

Apparently its actually Kangaroo that holds that spot, all things considered, also kangaroos are less harmful to the environment so farming them commercially would be a lot less damaging than other meat sources. they also require a lot less water and food than other grazing animals.

 

Pretty much no one eats them here though because you see them hopping around the paddocks and bush and they look too cute, they  do better overseas where they aren't  present  as a wild animal to see them in the natural environment.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/is-kangaroo-the-best-red-meat-on-the-planet-2106610.html

 

There was a pub next to Swarkestone Bridge in Derbyshire that sold all sorts of unusual meats, I had Kangaroo, my son had Alligator and the wife and daughter had chicken, fussy pair those two......................

[Tony_S]

4 minutes ago, tigerburnie said:

Actually Phil a large amount is farmed, there's a Red Deer farm just outside Forfar, who is a large supplier in the area. There's a semi captive herd on Bradgate Park in Leicestershire that supplies venison, I remember that in the early 1960's.

There were a few much nearer than that to Phil. The ones in the fields on the Essex side of the M25 were raised to be Bambiburgers or similar 

[Hroth]

20 minutes ago, tigerburnie said:

There was a pub next to Swarkestone Bridge in Derbyshire that sold all sorts of unusual meats, I had Kangaroo, my son had Alligator and the wife and daughter had chicken, fussy pair those two......................

 

I'll have an alligator sandwich, and make it snappy!

 

[Tim Dubya]

9 hours ago, tigerburnie said:

There was a pub next to Swarkestone Bridge in Derbyshire that sold all sorts of unusual meats, I had Kangaroo, my son had Alligator and the wife and daughter had chicken, fussy pair those two......................

 

There's a farm shop near to me that sells all those kind of things. 

I was wondering with all this talk of fussy eating... the meats 'we' tend to eat are mainly grass fed and herbivores and not naturally omnivores in most cases (obviously not poultry), so I was wondering if there was a massive difference in taste between those and say alligator ?

 

edit:  saying that, my Great Aunt Min from Eastleigh, told us when we were kids that people were sold cats as rabbit meat during the war.   She said the only difference once skinned, beheaded, de-feeted and tail removed, is that a cat has an extra rib.  Of course that wouldn't have worked in rural Somerset but on the periphery of a bombed Southampton people certainly bought them.  Whether they knew but didn't care is another matter.

 

 

Edited July 28, 2023 by Tim Dubya

[Andy Hayter]

9 hours ago, AndyID said:

 

 

Petrol requires an external source of ignition to ignite. Li-ion batteries can ignite with no external ignition source. That's a very big difference.

 

Double quote

 The point I was trying to make is that an energy source has a finite amount of energy (whether a cell or liquid fuel) and if that amount of energy is small, the amount of damage is small.  Nevertheless caution should be applied

 

So it is only when you get a lot of cells together that they present a major source of danger. 

 

Of course in the wrong environment the failure of a single cell can lead to serious consequences and the examples of cells being damaged in waste and recycling centres and exploding is a classic case since the damaged cell is likely to be surrounded by flammable materials - crisp packets, yoghurt pots and even the rubbish sack - which will easily ignite and a small pop almost instantly becomes a significant fire. 

 

So when recharging small low power items, think about the environment.  Don't for example place the phone on the window ledge, where in the event of a cell failure you could well set curtains or blinds alight.  Ditto your laptop on the desk sat next to all those demands for payment and other post that you intend to deal with later.

 

Incidentally petrol can be made to spontaneously ignite though that would be unusual.   Of course its close relative, diesel, relies on spontaneous combustion for its operation in engines.  

[tigerburnie]

1 hour ago, Hroth said:

 

I'll have an alligator sandwich, and make it snappy!

 

Where's the groan button.............................................😁

[tigerburnie]

We buy almost all of our meat direct from the farm, we have "Hairy Coo" or Highland Cow to you, supposedly lower in cholesterol, or at least that's what the farmers wifey tells us. Pork is outdoor bred, there are fields full of them about 2 miles away, they are reared more intensively in a barn later though, not found any slow grown Pork round here. Venison is Roe, which is shot not farmed, I find Red Deer meat too strong like liver or kidney, which I also don't like.

The Haggis is free roaming shot in the Glens during the hunting season...............................................................😎

[45156]

14 hours ago, tigerburnie said:

not sure why they chose that livery when restored

TBH, some of Smiffy's liveries can be a little odd.  I can't remember Jubes in maroon (or blacK).

 

Afternoon All

 

I'm now officially off the G&T and single malt for a week - I've had a cough for about three weeks, since my brother's funeral - and as I am getting a bit tired of paying out for linctus - so I rang the quack this morning and was offered an appointment without any triage in a couple of weeks - so I was offered a triage call - booked at 08.40 - was called back at 9.15, asked to come in at 10.30 to "have a listen" - was seen by the partner nurse practitioner at 10.30 on the dot, diagnosed as having a chest infection, and she prescribed an antibiotic which we have already got in stock at home for 30747 - told me to start on them so as not to have any delay at the pharmacy and to collect my own supply tomorrow - smart thinking on her part, methinks.  Seems it can be done when all the parties concerned are working together.  I was home by 10.45!

 

Then did a quick check on the delivery of the next supply of wallpaper to find that it was out for delivery two days earlier than promised - and it arrived very well packed and with absolutely no damage at all.  Well that, of course, means that we will not be car booting this weekend, as 30747 thinks we are on a roll now with the papering, so we'll get on with it.

 

And in case anyone is even remotely interested, here are a couple of pictures of the living room whice was finally put back completely last night.

 

Regards to All

Stewart

[Barry O]

2 hours ago, Tim Dubya said:

 

There's a farm shop near to me that sells all those kind of things. 

I was wondering with all this talk of fussy eating... the meats 'we' tend to eat are mainly grass fed and herbivores and not naturally omnivores in most cases (obviously not poultry), so I was wondering if there was a massive difference in taste between those and say alligator ?

 

edit:  saying that, my Great Aunt Min from Eastleigh, told us when we were kids that people were sold cats as rabbit meat during the war.   She said the only difference once beheaded, de-feeted and tail removed, is that a cat has an extra rib.  Of course that wouldn't have worked in rural Somerset but on the periphery of a bombed Southampton people certainly bought them.  Whether they knew but didn't care is another matter.

Cat has a very strong taste.. Once had it by mistake in a mixed grill at a restaurant in Ankara...

 

Baz

[Barry O]

Tried Kangaroo, alligator and various other bits of meat.. as her indoors says.. tastes just like chicken.....but its generally served with spices and herbs to give it taste..

 

Baz

Edited July 28, 2023 by Barry O

[tigerburnie]

26 minutes ago, Barry O said:

Cat has a very strong taste.. Once had it by mistake in a mixed grill at a restaurant in Ankara...

 

Baz

If you ate Chinse or Indian food in Leicester in the 1960's there was an odds on chance you ate dog or cat, several restaurants made the front page of the local rag after the health officials paid a visit.

[PupCam]

Afternoon All

 

3 hours ago, Andy Hayter said:

 The point I was trying to make is that an energy source has a finite amount of energy (whether a cell or liquid fuel) and if that amount of energy is small, the amount of damage is small.  Nevertheless caution should be applied

 

And the point I was trying to make  was to highlight the very significant difference between something that is potentially unstable as well as being a source of unwelcome energy against the equivalent but relatively benign quantity of energy  in liquid fuel properly contained which has been missed here I believe.

 

3 hours ago, Andy Hayter said:

So it is only when you get a lot of cells together that they present a major source of danger.

 

I'm sorry, we'll have to agree to disagree on that Andy.   I'd much rather have a small, capped  bottle of petrol (say the size of a bottle of Mek Pak to give some context) than a dodgy,  potentially damaged, titchy single cell 150mAH Lithium battery sitting on my desk  unguarded simply because of the inherent unpredictable nature of that battery.   The absolute quantity of energy be that burning battery or liquid fuel is, to a large extent, irrelevant in a domestic context, you only need a small fire to start a large fire and it is the susceptibility for self ignition that is critical here.

 

3 hours ago, Andy Hayter said:

Of course its close relative, diesel, relies on spontaneous combustion for its operation in engines.  

 

It doesn't spontaneously combust when stored under ambient conditions it combusts when heated to, what is it, 200+ degrees C which is normally achieved by quickly compressing it in a restricted volume hence the Compression Ignition engine where compression is the operative word.    I would venture to suggest that the greatest danger from having an egg cup full of diesel fuel sitting on the coffee table is that of extreme ear ache from SWMBO complaining about the smell!

 

In all of this, the specific Lithium battery technology (of which there are many) being considered heightens or lowers the relative risk and, as I mentioned previously, the more reputable manufacturers mitigate the risk as best they can by providing protection for the many and various forms of abuse such devices can be subjected to.    It just pays to be very, very wary IMHO other, more cavalier, approaches are available.

 

In Other News

 

I had another attempt at the blood and drugs run "Up the Smoke"  this morning which was much more successful and worked like a charm.  I bought a senior rail card this morning by speaking to the very helpful lady in the ticket office (use them while you can).  No digital passport photo nonsense, no sending away for weeks on end, just fill in the form with your name and address and cough up the £30 and then use it to buy the cheap day return which instantly repaid about 33% of its cost.     

 

Went to the platform, waited 2 minutes, train arrived, got on, got off, walked to hospital, registered for blood test, waited 3 minutes, had blood test, went to pharmacy to request medication (20-30 minute wait), went and had a coffee, back to pharmacy, collect meds, walk to station waited 1 minute, got on train, phoned Mrs Puppers, got off of train and walked to meet SWMBO who was waiting patiently in the car park, go home.  Approximately 3 hours start to finish and the bonus is that the hospital that needs the results gets them directly.    How misguided I was to think getting the tests done locally would be easiest when it takes the GP 3 to 5 working days to put the request on the local hospital's system that would then enable me to make an appointment to subsequently go at some point and have the test done at the local hospital.   I almost can't wait for the next one in 2 weeks!    That Thameslink service down the ECML is very good!

 

When ever I go to London by train I pass under the bridge that I did 99% of all my train spotting from ~55 years ago.   Although I haven't lived in the area for all of those 55 years it's very strange I feel a momentary sense of "being home" as I pass under that bridge and through the station.  What a funny old thing the memory is.

 

TTFN

 

 

Edited July 28, 2023 by PupCam

[Ozexpatriate]

7 hours ago, monkeysarefun said:

a brand new black Tesla SUV

Tesla paint jobs have a reputation. This is one of the problems with being a 'start-up' automotive supplier. There is a lot of learned best practices with automotive paint application and they haven't been doing it for very long compared with any IC engine automobile supplier - even those from Korea.

[Ozexpatriate]

5 hours ago, monkeysarefun said:

Bonus points to @Ozexpatriate if he can name the presenter.

I'm in a bit of a rush and only listened to the first few seconds. I don't remember but first impressions are: is it Mike Leyland? (first choice) or Mal? (second choice) It feels like this is from an episode of Ask the Leyland Brothers. 

 

I don't have time for the whole clip. I'll listen to it later.

[AndyID]

3 hours ago, Andy Hayter said:

Of course its close relative, diesel, relies on spontaneous combustion for its operation in engines.  

 

Injecting diesel into highly compressed and therefore very hot air can hardly be described as "spontaneous combustion". That usually applies under conditions where air is at atmospheric pressures and temperatures.

[Gwiwer]

4 hours ago, Hroth said:

 

I'll have an alligator sandwich, and make it snappy!

 

Schnappi is a baby crocodile not an agitator 🤣

 

Now tell me that isn't an earworm ...... Schnip Schnap Schnappi - Schnappi Schnappi Schnap!!!

 

 

 

[Barry O]

@PupCam.luckily SISTER drac and the Dracletes can harvest my blood at the marie celeste..only thing is..10 working days to get an appointment..

 

Lummy these ICC umpires (400000 Us Dollars plus expenses plus 1st Class travel apparently) would last 5 minutes in a League game in Yorkshire.. know the laws and regulations before putting your size 10s in your mouth...

 

Baz

Edited July 28, 2023 by Barry O

[PupCam]

22 minutes ago, Barry O said:

@PupCam.luckily SISTER drac and the Dracletes can harvest my blood at the marie celeste..only thing is..10 working days to get an appointment..

 

Luxury! 😃     If only round here ......

[DaveF]

I had a very pleasant walk along the prom and round the Battery and had another look at the replica guns - I think that from out at sea they would look quite realistic.  Then I came home supposedly in time for coffee but had quite a long chat with several neighbours, as usual we were putting the world to rights.

 

I eventually got coffee and have spent much of the time since watching cricket along with meals, a nap, watering the greenhouse and a bit of gardening.  Paracetamol is working quite well on the neck issue, the sinuses are still giving me a slight temperature which coms and goes, as I expected with it I feel about "one degree under" and very tired.  Every so often I have a few sneezes which helps but I think that most of the stuff in my sinuses is still solid.

 

At least it doesn't make me feel ill enough not to do things, I am just doing a bit less.  Now it is time for trea and more cricket, then a book again.

 

As a footnote I've been reading one of John Gardner's James Bond books from when he took over writing them  around 1981.  How different the stories would have been if there had been mobile phones and CCTV back then.  In the one I've just read he had to go to find a phone box several times to make urgent calls.

 

David

Edited July 28, 2023 by DaveF

[PhilJ W]

Afternoon all from Estuary-Land. I ordered an item that runs on two parallel strips of metal from an emporium in Liverpool on Wednesday evening, it arrived at 09:30 this morning. Well done Hattons and Royal Mail.

[PhilJ W]

6 hours ago, tigerburnie said:

Actually Phil a large amount is farmed, there's a Red Deer farm just outside Forfar, who is a large supplier in the area. There's a semi captive herd on Bradgate Park in Leicestershire that supplies venison, I remember that in the early 1960's.

The venison that I buy is marked on the packaging 'Culled from wild herds'.

5 hours ago, Tim Dubya said:

edit:  saying that, my Great Aunt Min from Eastleigh, told us when we were kids that people were sold cats as rabbit meat during the war.   She said the only difference once beheaded, de-feeted and tail removed, is that a cat has an extra rib.  Of course that wouldn't have worked in rural Somerset but on the periphery of a bombed Southampton people certainly bought them.  Whether they knew but didn't care is another matter.

A stallholder in Romford market was caught selling cat as rabbit after many local cats went missing. He was lucky not to get lynched.

4 hours ago, tigerburnie said:

We buy almost all of our meat direct from the farm, we have "Hairy Coo" or Highland Cow to you, supposedly lower in cholesterol, or at least that's what the farmers wifey tells us. Pork is outdoor bred, there are fields full of them about 2 miles away, they are reared more intensively in a barn later though, not found any slow grown Pork round here. Venison is Roe, which is shot not farmed, I find Red Deer meat too strong like liver or kidney, which I also don't like.

The Haggis is free roaming shot in the Glens during the hunting season...............................................................😎

I don't know which breed of deer the venison I eat comes from but its not very 'gamey'. I met a chap who culls deer for a living and he reckoned the best venison is muntjac.

[Barry O]

erm "wild herds" are still famed (extra food in winter, counted and checked before "culls" (otherwise they could be wiped out..

 

and , if they are that wild how do you know they don't contain nasty bugs??

 

Baz