New unidentified location

[Blandford1969]

Firstly my thanks to all who helped with identifying the previous photo, which is most appreciated. As promised i have dug out another of my unidentified negatives, with no information on when or where it was taken.

I do not know if the image is the right way round or not, and in this case the negative is not good enough to be able to zoom in on either the wagon numbers, company sign or sign on the end of the building.

 

The only clue is it came from a batch that all appeared to be in the north east.

 

I really look forward to the ideas you all may have

 

Kind regards

 

Duncan

[trisonic]

is it from the same source as the previous one?

 

Best, Pete.

[Ian Smeeton]

I would tjink that this negative IS the wrong way round as the wagon Numbers appear to be on the "wrong" end of the vehicles.

 

Absolutely no ideas on the location though!

 

Regards

 

Ian

[PhilJ W]

I would tjink that this negative IS the wrong way round as the wagon Numbers appear to be on the "wrong" end of the vehicles.

 

Absolutely no ideas on the location though!

 

Regards

 

Ian

I agree the photo is the wrong way round for the same reason.

[panniertank]

I reckon that's Writhlington or very near [s&D]

[PhilJ W]

Any chance of a reverse image?

[Pugsley]

I've taken the liberty of reversing and lightening the photo in the OP.

 

 

I've no idea where it is!

[trisonic]

 

 

 

I've no idea where it is!

It's probably around the next corner to Wilsontown..............

 

Best, Pete

 

 

 

[Blandford1969]

It's probably around the next corner to Wilsontown..............

 

Best, Pete

 

Firslty thanks to Pugsley for kindly reversing the image.

 

Hi Pete, the negative is from a different source so i don't think it was by the same photographer, most of the others of this one appeared North Eastern, including about 40 over the Stainmore and the original station at Barnard Castle. I beleive they were taken mostly in the very early 1950's.

 

I did wonder if it was one of the freight only branches in the Barnard Castle area?

 

Kind regards and thanks for the suggestions so far.

 

Duncan

[Kenton]

It's probably around the next corner to Wilsontown..............

 

Best, Pete

I think you are probably correct there - if not still in Wilsontown .. that hillside looks familiar

[trisonic]

It's interesting that the two visible houses appear to be an identical architectural style - just not one I'm familiar with........

 

Best, Pete.

[petethemole]

Both probably built by the same local builder for customers (farmers?) with similar requirements. I thought I'd seen pictures of similar houses so checked my vernacular architecture books. The projections at the roof corners (kneelers) are common in vernacular stone houses in the Pennine region of North and West Yorkshire, which may help locate the site. The topography may help; there's clearly a valley behind the foreground house. A pair of bowstrimg girders on the curve at centre suggests a small overbridge.

 

Pete

[Modernist]

The house certainly wouldn't be out of place around here in West Yorks. I hope whoever lived in it was a railway enthusiast!

 

Which vernacular architecture books do you have Pete? I currently have one by R W Brunskill on loan from the library.

[PhilJ W]

I've taken the liberty of reversing and lightening the photo in the OP.

 

 

I've no idea where it is!

The van in the picture looks as if it may be a fish van, going by the light colour and the torpedo vent on the roof.

[Irishswissernie]

Hi Duncan,

I reckoned the batch were on the Butterknowle Branch but couldn't identify the precise location.

 

Ernie

[petethemole]

Brunskill's Illustrated Handbook is the standard handy reference; the two I found useful today were English Farmhouses by R J Brown and Houses in the Landscape by John & Jane Penoyre. I've a whole bunch of others, including Brunskill's Traditional Buildings of Britain, The Traditional Buildings of England by Anthoney Quiney, Farm Buildings by John Woodforde and The National Trust Book of the Farm. The rest are upstairs! I have a lot partly out of interest and partly for work. A colleague does most of our historic building surveys but good references are needed in case I’m needed to do one.

 

Pete

[trisonic]

The house certainly wouldn't be out of place around here in West Yorks. I hope whoever lived in it was a railway enthusiast!

 

Which vernacular architecture books do you have Pete? I currently have one by R W Brunskill on loan from the library.

Well, that figures.... only from my memory...... and Northern England/Scotland don't figure too highly. No offence meant - not too highly in my memory is what I meant.

I'm trying to get to grips with Miami style at the moment and my poor old brain only holds so much info....

 

Thanks, Pete.

[Blandford1969]

Hi Duncan,

I reckoned the batch were on the Butterknowle Branch but couldn't identify the precise location.

 

Ernie

 

 

Hi Ernie,

 

Thanks for the suggestion,I will try to look up that branch

[Irishswissernie]

It is Butterknowle, terminus of the Haggerleases branch; there is a photo looking the other way in Railway Memories No 17, Darlington & SW Durham by Bellcode

Page 89

regards Ernie (This post might appear twice!)

[Ramrig]

Have a look here http://www.haggerlea.../history_2.html there is a picture 2/3 of the way down in the now section of the station house.

[Pugsley]

Have a look here http://www.haggerlea.../history_2.html there is a picture 2/3 of the way down in the now section of the station house.

I'm not so sure that's the same house, unless someone's gone to great lengths in moving the chimneys, but I will admit that it's very close. The plaque on the wall is definitely the same as the mystery one.

[Guest stuartp]

I'm not so sure that's the same house, unless someone's gone to great lengths in moving the chimneys, but I will admit that it's very close. The plaque on the wall is definitely the same as the mystery one.

 

If it is Butterknowles it's possible the gables have been rebuilt with the ridge line moved further up and back, leaving the chimney marooned halfway up the front face of the roof. Everything else fits, even the pattern of iron staining on the chimney. On the 'Then' page of that same site there's a pic of an Ivatt 4MT shunting at Butterknowle, there's a large lean-to extension at the rear of the house, the roof could have been extended to cover that.

[petethemole]

Have found it on Google Maps. Unfortunately trees obscure the house apart from the roof in Streetview, but following the B6282 to the north east finds the houses on the ridge in the centre and right background. I'd agree that the house has been altered by re-roofing with a wider roof and higher ridge.

[industrial]

If it is Butterknowles it's possible the gables have been rebuilt with the ridge line moved further up and back, leaving the chimney marooned halfway up the front face of the roof. Everything else fits, even the pattern of iron staining on the chimney. On the 'Then' page of that same site there's a pic of an Ivatt 4MT shunting at Butterknowle, there's a large lean-to extension at the rear of the house, the roof could have been extended to cover that.

 

The slates also change colour where the original ridge would have been.

[Pugsley]

OK, thanks to the above posts I've looked again, and yes, it is the same house. I guess it just goes to show how much buildings can change over the years!