RMweb Premium polybear Posted February 13, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2011 Hi, At some point I fancy making a loco kit of the LNER W1 "Hush Hush" in 4mm. I'm aware that SEFinecast have a kit available - any experiences of this please (especially the boiler)? Are there any other kits out there please? Thanks. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Tim Shackleton wrote up his build in one of the MRJ Compendiums; I'm afraid I can't recall which one. I think the main issue was the tender - the W1's, almost inevitably, was unique - but I can't recall what other (if any) issues were there. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Tim Shackleton wrote up his build in one of the MRJ Compendiums; I'm afraid I can't recall which one. I think the main issue was the tender - the W1's, almost inevitably, was unique - but I can't recall what other (if any) issues were there. Adam Number 3 http://www.modelrailwayjournal.com/compendium.php?s=3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2512silverfox Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I would not even try it without a copy of the relevant Isinglass drawing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 According to Tony Wrights book LNER Pacifics the Corridor Tender Wills provides is too wide . It is flush with the the footplate edge when it should be set back as Non Corridor tenders. He used one from a A2 kit with rivets removed for his build. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Pulham Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Any information that is posted in support of your query will be welcomed by me too. I have a 7mm version in the drawer but I have invested in the Isinglass drawing as a starting point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossdp Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 There was a resin body kit available. It may have been by Jaycraft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted February 13, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2011 Any information that is posted in support of your query will be welcomed by me too. I have a 7mm version in the drawer but I have invested in the Isinglass drawing as a starting point. Hi Rob, Do you have a copy of BRM May 2010 (Volume 18 No. 2)? It has a six page feature on building a Hush Hush, based on the Ace Kits model plus a David Andrews 1928 Corridor Tender Kit (and a bit of scratchbuilding thrown in for good measure). Well worth a read, especially for a 7mm version. Many thanks also for the other replies - I have the MRJ Compendium so I'll give the article a read. HTH Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted February 13, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2011 I've just found the following information: W1 Class 4-6-4 (Hush-Hush) Gresley 1 locomotive was built in November 1929 and was rebuilt in November 1937. It was withdrawn in June 1959 Milbro (Mills) 1931 O Manufacturer closed down Ready to run Maintrack 1986 OO Status unknown Ready to run, limited edition SouthEast Finecast 1982 4mm Catalogue Kit, rebuilt version Golden Arrow 1987 4mm Status unknown Kit, rebuilt version DJH / Tower / Milburn & Milburn 2000 O Not currently produced Kit. Limited edition (50) Ace Products 2007 O Catalogue Kit There's information on many other kits (and RTR also), here: http://www.mremag.com/articles/col-18.12.99/MREmag%20Loco%20Database.htm HTH. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Dean Sidings had a resin version of the original W1 one on show at Ally Pally a couple of years ago, no idea if ever produced. If hes there next month I will have a look Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Pulham Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Hi Rob, Do you have a copy of BRM May 2010 (Volume 18 No. 2)? It has a six page feature on building a Hush Hush, based on the Ace Kits model plus a David Andrews 1928 Corridor Tender Kit (and a bit of scratchbuilding thrown in for good measure). Well worth a read, especially for a 7mm version. Many thanks also for the other replies - I have the MRJ Compendium so I'll give the article a read. HTH Brian Thanks Brian, I do have that article, I was considering an Ace kit at that point and a friend who had a subscription suggested I buy a copy. But subsequently picked up a Medley Models kit (missing from your list but still alive and kicking - he was in December when he dropped some stuff of at my house) which has a resin boiler and is all in Nickel. I haven't started it yet but Steve Hoyle (at least I think it's Steve) from medley kindly did me a drawing of the tender coal space (the only bit of the kit that someone had played with). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted February 14, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 14, 2011 I built one of these from the SEF kit fairly recently, as far as I remember the loco went together quite well but the tender wasn't right - I used a spare etched one instead (I think it was Proscale). A couple of photos before it went to Ian Rathbone for painting. Michael Edge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted February 14, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2011 Nice job Michael, when I first saw your post I thought you'd branched out in a BIG way The W1 is on my list of "weird locos I would like to have" so this thread will come in very useful. So what exactly is wrong with the tender in the SEF kit? not being much of an LNER man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Very nice Loco. Are the lost wax parts on footplate cylinders etc replacement parts? My rebuild version never had such nice parts as standard.If they are replacements what is your source for them ? Please post some pictures when painted . Redgate see my earlier post re Tender. It is also quite chunky and very heavy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted February 14, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2011 I think I understand, so do you think apart from the chunky nature of the SEF tender could it be modified, I take it it's W/M so would be fairly easy to work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Yes you can cut it down the either side to reduce the width if you wish. As I said its battleship quality and as in the above pictures a etched version would be much better in detail and weight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 You can ask SEF to quote you a price for the loco only, and then you can go and get a more appropriate tender (all etched) from Martin Finney or PDK..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted February 14, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2011 stop it! this is nowhere near the top of my list anyway, I've just bought a french 4-6-4 (or 4-6-2-2) for the pedantic, two in one year would be greedy wouldn't it ........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted February 14, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 14, 2011 I can't remember why I didn't use the tender but 10000 had a tender of the 1928 type (the original corridor tenders) but the turn in of the sides at the front was less and it had disc wheels. It still didn't match up with the cab of 10000 though. At about the same time I built this 7mm one so the research came in handy. Michael Edge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 two in one year would be greedy wouldn't it ........ No, far from it - they are both different ... now two of the same might be ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted February 14, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2011 Just checked the SEF website, think their price list must be out of date - £35 for a kit? - bargain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Just checked the SEF website, think their price list must be out of date - £35 for a kit? - bargain Errm.....I think that might be for the loco chassis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted February 14, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2011 That might explain it - hope this kits are constructed better than the website of course it would be helpful if I could read too just shy of a ton, that's more like it - getting a loco only price would make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 At about the same time I built this 7mm one so the research came in handy. Michael Edge Has that got resin axlebox/springs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 ..I have invested in the Isinglass drawing as a starting point. Does this neatly summarise the changes to external form of the machine in water tube boiler guise? I recall being very surprised to see early photos showing no splasher over the leading driver among other things. That must have been attended too once enough maintenance staff had complained about the track dirt going 'everywhere'. Interesting aside on the original water tube boilered machine. The late father of a schoolfriend was a premium apprentice under Mr Bulleid, and once told me that he had expressed the wish that there had been the money to try the turbine drive developed on the LMS with this boiler, as the reciprocating motion, (both direct vibration and the pulsing draw of the induced draught) were quite probably the cause of the casing's propensity to air leaks which of course led to considerable thermal loss. The continuous draught intrinsic to the draw induced by a turbine exhaust, the reduced vibration, the unidirectional thermal cycle and better match of a turbine to the higher pressure output of this boiler design, all suggested that this would have been the better way to use the steam. The water tube boiler apparently went on to perform very well once grounded (at Stooperdale?) and used as a plant steam supply, lasting until 1966. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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