Ravenser Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Only 18 days to Christmas then, guess I aught to go and do my shopping......... I see that there is going to be a 'Christmas surprise' in the next issue of DEMU's update thats due in the next couple of weeks. Cant help but speculate that it will be an early announcement of the D&E range...... It could simply be the Class 70 of course. I wouldn't bet on any society publication hitting its copy date exactly so we may well get the official Hornby announcement before we see Update Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 I see that there is going to be a 'Christmas surprise' in the next issue of DEMU's update thats due in the next couple of weeks. Cant help but speculate that it will be an early announcement of the D&E range...... So will that be before or after it's in REx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 So will that be before or after it's in REx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 So will that be before or after it's in REx Nah, it'll be on here first I mean with all the guessing that's going on, someone's bound to hit the jackpot sooner or later! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 I wonder if we can narrow it down to two schools of thought at work here? Modellers school, which cries out for locos that are useful. Enthusiast school, which wants everything that looks attractive and appeals to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 7, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 7, 2009 I wonder if we can narrow it down to two schools of thought at work here? Modellers school, which cries out for locos that are useful. Enthusiast school, which wants everything that looks attractive and appeals to them. I think we might need to add 'Collectors School'but then like as not they'd probably buy anything and everything (and hope they get the one with unpainted wheels ). I think Hornby might expand along the GWR theme and I seriously wonder, still, if they might go for a 54/64/74XX basic loco and ring the wheel size etc changes to suit in order to get a lot of 'new model' mileage out of it. GWR coaches seem a strong likelihood with the main question being 'what will they be?' But I have heard it said that Hornby's past GW efforts have not been good sellers (hardly surprising for some of them but even the 'Grange' has allegedly not sold very strongly) so they could turn their sights elsewhere. I suspect the dark horse might be an S&D 2-8-0 which seems to get lots of wish listing but otherwise it is as likely to be something LNER and the head rather than the heart suggests a revamped B17 as it's 'an express engine'. Whatever it is I think their main aim is going to have to be income (and hopefully profit) in increasingly difficult market conditions and that - as much as anything else - will undoubtedly have figured high in making their choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 The Stationmaster....but otherwise it is as likely to be something LNER and the head rather than the heart suggests a revamped B17 as it's 'an express engine'. I agree. It is also green and I can see lots of marketting advantages for a 'Footballer'. I once bought my eldest son a 'Warship' diesel, not because he was interested in railways, which he totally isn't, but because it carried the name of his ship. Introduction of a B17 would cost me a packet with 'Manchester United' and 'Liverpool'. Then I'd have to buy one for meself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenser Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 I agree. It is also green and I can see lots of marketting advantages for a 'Footballer'. I once bought my eldest son a 'Warship' diesel, not because he was interested in railways, which he totally isn't, but because it carried the name of his ship. Introduction of a B17 would cost me a packet with 'Manchester United' and 'Liverpool'. Then I'd have to buy one for meself. And that could be one very potent sales factor working for a B17. In this day and age they'd certainly do a Sandringham as well - just look at the variations they've done on the Arthurs and T9 - and that does then get them part way towards a new B12 But this is implying we should be seeing some GC Section layouts: ROD, B17, D11...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisr40 Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 The possibility that keeps occuring to me is - will Hornby forgoe the high end, detail rich , oooh and ahhh releases and make a larger contribution to their railroad range. Im basing that thought upon the prevailling economics, relatively low cost of implementation, potential to grow the hobby and attract customer base and claim an even greater market share in an area that the other manufacturers dont seem to think there is any need to cater for ? Will they allow the Dapol, Bachmann and Heljan players to spend oodles of cash developing models which already some voices on this forum and others are saying may have passed the price at which their wallet or wife cries enough!! and clean up on sales of more conservatively priced products to cultivate future hobbyists and consolidate their position whilst times are hard ? or am I just being a misery guts ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 7, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 7, 2009 The possibility that keeps occuring to me is - will Hornby forgoe the high end, detail rich , oooh and ahhh releases and make a larger contribution to their railroad range. Im basing that thought upon the prevailling economics, relatively low cost of implementation, potential to grow the hobby and attract customer base and claim an even greater market share in an area that the other manufacturers dont seem to think there is any need to cater for ? Will they allow the Dapol, Bachmann and Heljan players to spend oodles of cash developing models which already some voices on this forum and others are saying may have passed the price at which their wallet or wife cries enough!! and clean up on sales of more conservatively priced products to cultivate future hobbyists and consolidate their position whilst times are hard ? or am I just being a misery guts ? I think it can work two ways - obvious budget advantage of an entry level lower priced range in tight market conditions so you sell volume and hopefully broaden you market. Equally tho' stick a few extra bits of detail on and your into what marketeers call 'added value' - which is another way of saying it costs you 2% more to make but you can up the retail price by 12% thus increasing your profit margin. The big question - as you have said - is can the market bear it? Well thus far it is, according to one post on here since Friday a tad over 200 people have lashed out at least ??145 for a pretty 4-4-0 which in many cases has no place on their layout. Elsewhere someone has said Hornby are fresh out of 'Clans' although no doubt plenty of retailers still have some. My local model shop only does a limited amount of model railways but he sells everything at RRP - and his locos and coaches sell (but not to me:blink:) . So at present I think the money is still there for quality stuff, but it might be pertinent to ask the same question in a year's time when prices will no doubt be rising even higher and the British economy will have tightened considerably. Thank goodness in many respects that Hornby now owns a good selection of international brands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisr40 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Hello Stationmaster I think we only need to give it a month not a year - ie when decembers credit card bills hit the mat with thud !!! Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Hornby has identified and addressed the market for less-detailed lower-priced models. The Railroad 9F, for instance, suits a good many people and no doubt more 'dumbed down' Schools and Bullied Pacifics will follow. But I'm sure Hornby doesnt need reminding where it was only a short while ago and how it pulled itself off the toy floor to compete with Bachmann's scale models. If Hornby turns its back on the high end market even for only a short time during the economic downturn, it risks a great deal. I don't think this will happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I think it can work two ways - obvious budget advantage of an entry level lower priced range in tight market conditions so you sell volume and hopefully broaden you market. Equally tho' stick a few extra bits of detail on and your into what marketeers call 'added value' - which is another way of saying it costs you 2% more to make but you can up the retail price by 12% thus increasing your profit margin. The big question - as you have said - is can the market bear it? Well thus far it is, according to one post on here since Friday a tad over 200 people have lashed out at least ??145 for a pretty 4-4-0 which in many cases has no place on their layout. Elsewhere someone has said Hornby are fresh out of 'Clans' although no doubt plenty of retailers still have some. My local model shop only does a limited amount of model railways but he sells everything at RRP - and his locos and coaches sell (but not to me:blink:) . So at present I think the money is still there for quality stuff, but it might be pertinent to ask the same question in a year's time when prices will no doubt be rising even higher and the British economy will have tightened considerably. Thank goodness in many respects that Hornby now owns a good selection of international brands. Good question regarding the cost factor - I suspect that Hornby will tighten the reigns. Perhaps more coaching stock. The Gresley's aren't well liked what about the possibility of them doing Thompson stock. It would open the doors to producing the Elizabethan. Well i can but dream! I suspect it could be the yesr of the coah be it GWR or LNER. A B17 may be on the cards - next year ? possibly but we may see less in the catalogues not more. Livery variations and new name numbers... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutyDruid Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 One thing that is certain, Skaledale will include a Chinese Takeaway. Any one else seen the calendar? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted December 8, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 8, 2009 Given Hornby's recent spate of Southern loco releases, MNs, WCs, BBs, Schools and the like, I would have thought that Bulleid coaches up to the standard of the Maunsells would be a sensible way to go. I for one would have to have the odd dozen or two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold LH&JC Posted December 8, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 8, 2009 I still think an S15 is on the cards, its Southern, can be painted green and its preserved Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutyDruid Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Given Hornby's recent spate of Southern loco releases, MNs, WCs, BBs, Schools and the like, I would have thought that Bulleid coaches up to the standard of the Maunsells would be a sensible way to go. I for one would have to have the odd dozen or two. Interesting, and gets my vote, especially as Bachmann keep promising to re-release their Bulleids and then failing to deliver. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted December 8, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 8, 2009 Given Hornby's recent spate of Southern loco releases, MNs, WCs, BBs, Schools and the like, I would have thought that Bulleid coaches up to the standard of the Maunsells would be a sensible way to go. I for one would have to have the odd dozen or two. As I said, Hornby seems to be developing a taste for unusual coaches, so I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if at some point they produced an as-built Bulleid tavern car. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted December 8, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 8, 2009 One thing that is certain, Skaledale will include a Chinese Takeaway. Any one else seen the calendar? Not yet, no. What else is there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lochinvar Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Yes,I can understand GE types wanting something to complement their "Brits". Hornby could easily satisfy that need with a green,named,passenger loco....and for infinitesmal development costs. Gentlemen,I give none other than... 72009 Clan Stewart!. I do like the idea of an updated Compound. As a type,it has the merit of straddling the MR,LMS and BR periods. DR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Not yet, no. What else is there? A no 46 with extra rice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60B Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 A no 46 with extra rice The late bus with drunks???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff mcghie Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I see that there is going to be a 'Christmas surprise' in the next issue of DEMU's update thats due in the next couple of weeks. Cant help but speculate that it will be an early announcement of the D&E range...... Nothing that earth shattering I'm afraid. About 2010 plans, I know nothing .... Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutyDruid Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Any one else seen the calendar? Right, managed to go back to look at the calendar, made notes this time... January - Winchester (Schools) delayed from this year February - Green Goddess Fire Engine March - 31 268 April - The Chinese Takeaway May - M7 in malachite green June - 61XX July - Gresley Teak Buffet car August - The Queen's Saloon September - New Century Bar Car October - 12 wheel pullman car Neptune November - Private Owner 4 plank wagon - welsh origin December - Railfreight brake van Does this make us any the wiser? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 July - Gresley Teak Buffet car Does this make us any the wiser? Yes - my dream of a Hornby P2 pulling a rake of Hornby Gresley teaks is still about a million to one odds... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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