26power Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 From Ron Fisher's Flickr site, colour views: Blakesley Jan1964. Coal and scrap loads. http://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/6952850719/ Aberystwyth in June, 1964. http://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/6264685050/in/set-72157626469706344 Bathgate, July 1960. http://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/7631414100/in/set-72157626349153079 Easrfield, July 1960. http://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/7631421722/in/set-72157626349153079 Grangemouth, July 1960. http://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/7584440694/in/set-72157626349153079 Haymarket June 1960. http://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/5818685150/in/set-72157626349153079 Wembley Park 11 Apr 1964. http://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/6952848837/ Towcester Jan1964 http://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/6952850265/ Apologies if reposts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted December 1, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2013 Heathfield Apr64 http://www.flickr.com/photos/31890193@N08/11103073463/in/photolist-hV99V6-dNvXDo-9ir6Bo-7PPJc9-9qWotd-FmPDL-FmQXe-FmQCk-7MACih-7MxrM6-dVcZvu-dZyCsH-bhVA4Z-7Nx52s-hdZ6Mc-8ZBScn-dD64oK-avLb3P-9D2UFj-byfSbH-9D2ULd-7icPF6-a3GVkR-5o8LHW-a3KMKw-dMCZiZ-edAg3Q-edAgjm-fZzcgn-8F3hoB-dR6YLV-dRcxJf-dR71kT-bEfRLk-dNvYUN-fiL5Lp-eddavR-bEgj98-bEgi4X-brmnDA-bEgiR2-bEghPK-gPw38D-4Xbogd-4XbnTS-4XbmZE-8hhcE5-ejZxSP-d8AJ7J-d8BDbG-d8BfoY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted December 1, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2013 Don't think we've ever had Finchley Road on this thread? http://www.flickr.com/photos/30937/8667462696/in/set-72157632779505656 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted December 1, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2013 Norwich Thorpe with a J15 due for a works visit? http://www.flickr.com/photos/30937/8499271083/in/set-72157632779505656 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 1, 2013 Author Share Posted December 1, 2013 errr shown in #1524 on prev page (except I've forgotten how to get pic to display so just had the link) hey you dont hear me complainin, done some yourself too, like the Marylebone one above I didnt spot it last page to be honest. the Heathfield one is a cracker, dont see it modelled like that. he's got some great shots, I like this one.. Minor Derailment at Brighton Station, 1962 by Ian D Nolan, on Flickr 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 1, 2013 Author Share Posted December 1, 2013 B4 "Normandy" shunting at Dibbles Wharf, Southampton, 1970 by Ian D Nolan, on Flickr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjnewitt Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 hey you dont hear me complainin, done some yourself too, like the Marylebone one above I didnt spot it last page to be honest. the Heathfield one is a cracker, dont see it modelled like that. he's got some great shots, I like this one.. Minor Derailment at Brighton Station, 1962 by Ian D Nolan, on Flickr Nice picture. It's got a replacement side door from a riveted 16T mineral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Ive just been watching this film again http://www.eafa.org.uk/catalogue/205507 and noticed this wagon with the 16t in the small black panel painted further up than normal.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) I was just wondering if anyone had modelled a Dia. 1/116 wagon or if there are any photos of the prototype. It would be interesting to see how the aluminium bodies weathered and would make an interesting contrast to the usual steel-bodied weathering. Another thing - is there a conversion kit available in 7mm to turn an unfitted 16-tonner into a fitted one? As no one replied in answer to the question about vac-fitting a 7mm wagon, I've bodged it using scrap box bits that have been left over from other wagon kits and Ambis brake levers that are left over from another project. It represents one that was converted from unfitted in 1966-68. The differences being the axleboxes (tho this isn't neccesarily always a prototype difference but it's on the wagon in the photo I'm going off), brake gear layout (shoes on both sides and Morton lever), bracing bar between the axle guards and, of course, the vac cylinder and pipes. The rest is Parkside as per the kit. I'll add instanter couplings, the rest of the vac pipe under the wagon and the appropriate livery to finish it. Edited December 2, 2013 by Ruston 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Grumpy Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 MMP do super detailed 7mm kits of fuilly fitted 16t wagoms. Also the rivetted variety (and LMS) worth a look!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted December 4, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2013 Ive just been watching this film again http://www.eafa.org.uk/catalogue/205507 and noticed this wagon with the 16t in the small black panel painted further up than normal.. mineral.JPG There were two more similar ones in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 The Vac-fitted one finished. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlink Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 What an interesting thread this, very informative. I am at present putting together a train of 16ton minerals and would like to ask a question, Can I mix the grey minerals with brown ones? Am I right in thinking the brown (fitted) ones would be positioned at the front of the train? Is there a maximum number of unfitted that can be positioned at the rear? Thanks Ian H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 What an interesting thread this, very informative. I am at present putting together a train of 16ton minerals and would like to ask a question, Can I mix the grey minerals with brown ones? Am I right in thinking the brown (fitted) ones would be positioned at the front of the train? Is there a maximum number of unfitted that can be positioned at the rear? Thanks Ian H Ian There is no problem with mixing fitted and unfitted wagons it just means that fitted ones are running unfitted if mixed, fitted heads were not mandatory but would depend on local practices and/or maximum load for unfitted trains! Mark Saunders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlink Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Many thanks for your help Mark, I knew someone on here would know the answer. I think with the range of ready-to-run stock available nowadays we should be able to make up a reasonable rake that is fairly prototypical, my problem is knowing have I got it right. It would be great if someone could give us information on freight formations thus allowing us a chance to make up a proper train. Ian H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 40 0n freight passing goods shed by monobingboy1, on Flickr 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 Class 76 Penistone by monobingboy1, on Flickr Class 76 Penistone by monobingboy1, on Flickr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Like that very early BR build brake van behind the 40 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 Internal rivetting. http://www.flickr.com/photos/95062750@N04/10101930394/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted December 5, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 5, 2013 Internal rivetting. http://www.flickr.com/photos/95062750@N04/10101930394/ Very nice. What is the tank wagon or is it a demountable tank next to it? Pity the photographer seems to have been distracted by the XP5 in the back ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Ian There is no problem with mixing fitted and unfitted wagons it just means that fitted ones are running unfitted if mixed, fitted heads were not mandatory but would depend on local practices and/or maximum load for unfitted trains! Mark Saunders If a fitted head was required, would the NCB engine crews shunt the train into order? It's just that I read somewhere that when vac-fitted minerals were introduced there were delays in making up trains because the NCB shunters didn't "do" brake pipes (presumably the BR guard had to connect up all the pipes himself?). So would NCB engine crews go to the trouble of shunting fitted wagons togther, or would the BR crew and engine have to do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 If a fitted head was required, would the NCB engine crews shunt the train into order? It's just that I read somewhere that when vac-fitted minerals were introduced there were delays in making up trains because the NCB shunters didn't "do" brake pipes (presumably the BR guard had to connect up all the pipes himself?). So would NCB engine crews go to the trouble of shunting fitted wagons togther, or would the BR crew and engine have to do this? From observation of the formation of trains on the Llanelly and Mynydd Mawr and Burry Port and Gwendreath Valley in the late 1960s/early 1970s, trains ran without any brake pipes connected until they arrived at Llandeilo Junction, which marshalled trains for onward despatch. This was despite the L&MMR having some very steep gradients. The only instances I can think off where trains left pits with brake pipes coupled was when they were block trains, whose pipes hadn't been uncoupled in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Many thanks for your help Mark, I knew someone on here would know the answer. I think with the range of ready-to-run stock available nowadays we should be able to make up a reasonable rake that is fairly prototypical, my problem is knowing have I got it right. It would be great if someone could give us information on freight formations thus allowing us a chance to make up a proper train. Ian H Have a look for the David Ratcliffe book on freight train compositions, covering a period from the early 1970s onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlink Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Have a look for the David Ratcliffe book on freight train compositions, covering a period from the early 1970s onwards. Thanks for help Brian, I'll have a look for it although the period you mention is a bit later than my modelling era. I'm interested in the late 50's early 60's. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 BWR056 - Birmingham Snow Hill by BarkingBill, on Flickr 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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