Porcy Mane Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Bear in mind the lamp iron was on the door, swaps didn't always retain the lamp, so some went without, some had new brackets welded in slightly different places. So what about buffer beam swaps? https://flic.kr/p/dBoXYC https://flic.kr/p/dBiwxB P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Bear in mind the lamp iron was on the door, swaps didn't always retain the lamp, so some went without, some had new brackets welded in slightly different places. Mike. I do not understand what you are saying! Fitted (vacuum braked) wagons had lamp brackets but not on unfitted ones. Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 6, 2018 I do not understand what you are saying! Fitted (vacuum braked) wagons had lamp brackets but not on unfitted ones. Mark Saunders The lamp iron was on the end door of fitted wagons as in Porcy's picture. Sorry Mark, can't explain it any simpler! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 The lamp iron was on the end door of fitted wagons as in Porcy's picture. Sorry Mark, can't explain it any simpler! Mike. Some went without is the bit I do not follow! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Some went without is the bit I do not follow! Probably a repeat but illustrates the point. https://flic.kr/p/Y9jeVQ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Probably a repeat but illustrates the point. https://flic.kr/p/Y9jeVQ It also has a what appears to be a Continental draw bar/hook but with instanter coupling, I would expect that the lamp iron would be fitted at a later date when the omission was spotted! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 It also has a what appears to be a Continental draw bar/hook but with instanter coupling, I would expect that the lamp iron would be fitted at a later date when the omission was spotted! A GWR type instanter at that but with the RIV top shackle. So still within wear tolerance at shopping or salvaged and transferred from another bit of Rolling stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Third Rail Report - Sheffield Freight. BTF from 1961. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duoq7esgf5s From about 3 mins, 12 secs. Scrap steel loads and a couple of "fresh out the box" wagons. But the whole thing worth a watch. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Next picture from those at Corral's Wharf is a pressed end door wagon on the same tippler. 093 Corralls Wharf Southampton 10.71 by George Woods, on Flickr I'm pretty certain it's been there since day one. I'm also pretty sure it was there on the LMS built examples including their end door iron ore version. I'm off out for a few hours I'll check up tonight. From memory all immediate post war builds that Woolich Arsenal turned out had pressed doors and relied on the pressed out section that extended along almost the full width of the bottom of the end door for their strength. P 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Doncaster again, on 6th Jan 1984. Both with clasp brakes and continental screw couplings (and lamp irons). DB552807 DB556838 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 DB573332 at Doncaster 3rd July 1984. Re-bodied, push-rod VB, angle tie bar, instanter couplings, lamp iron. CD557972 at Derby 29 July 1986. Re-bodied, 8 shoe clasp brakes, long hydraulic buffers, instanter couplings in short position, OHE warning label, lamp iron in use. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Third Rail Report - Sheffield Freight. BTF from 1961. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duoq7esgf5s From about 3 mins, 12 secs. Scrap steel loads and a couple of "fresh out the box" wagons. But the whole thing worth a watch. Fabulous. Thanks for posting. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Quite a job keeping up with Ernie Brack uploads! Some colour views: Beattock, undated. S C Crook: https://flic.kr/p/GFpNm5 Fauldhead Colliery, Kirkconnel, 12/04/68. J M Boyes: https://flic.kr/p/GP8svs https://flic.kr/p/22bVhVf https://flic.kr/p/FhN5VZ https://flic.kr/p/22bVhDy 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Two 10ft wb, 17ft 6in o/h wagons for today. Both VB with push-rod brakes, gedge slot screw couplings and flat tie bars between the axleguards. DB596075 at Derby 29 July 1986 DB596289 at Chester 8 October 1986 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted March 12, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 12, 2018 This shows that the same body was used on the 10' wheelbase wagons as on the common 9' wheelbase version (I think this is the first time I've seen a photo of 10 footers), resulting in a rather odd 'wheels at the extreme ends' appearance. I mention this because it shows that the Hornby and Dapol 16ton mineral wagons on generic 10' wheelbases are still wrong! It's sort of academic for me now; I have sufficient minerals for a loaded and an empty coal train, with 2 over for general use, and only 2 have duplicate numbers; not bad for a 22 wagon fleet of RTR wagons, though they are a mix of steel bodied, 21ton, and XPO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) This shows that the same body was used on the 10' wheelbase wagons as on the common 9' wheelbase version (I think this is the first time I've seen a photo of 10 footers), resulting in a rather odd 'wheels at the extreme ends' appearance. I mention this because it shows that the Hornby and Dapol 16ton mineral wagons on generic 10' wheelbases are still wrong! It's sort of academic for me now; I have sufficient minerals for a loaded and an empty coal train, with 2 over for general use, and only 2 have duplicate numbers; not bad for a 22 wagon fleet of RTR wagons, though they are a mix of steel bodied, 21ton, and XPO. Strange comment. These were conventional underframes from Palbricks some via Coil carriers - Coil P. 17ft 6in over headstocks with 10ft wheelbase. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mineralmcv10ft Paul Edited March 12, 2018 by hmrspaul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted March 14, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 14, 2018 D5396 Wellingborough by Tony, on Flickr Standard "5" 73010 by Tony, on Flickr 47653 Northampton by Tony, on Flickr 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted March 14, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14, 2018 D5396 Wellingborough by Tony, on Flickr Standard "5" 73010 by Tony, on Flickr 47653 Northampton by Tony, on Flickr I wonder what the legend on the LNER Loco Coal wagon is in the photo with the class 5? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytrains Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Looks like the two men in the right hand mineral are transferring the load to the one on the left. Looks like the two minerals are touching each other. https://www.flickr.com/photos/78089679@N03/14688398690/in/photostream/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Looks like the two men in the right hand mineral are transferring the load to the one on the left. Looks like the two minerals are touching each other. https://www.flickr.com/photos/78089679@N03/14688398690/in/photostream/ Why would they be transferring the load? Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 They couldn't get the rh wagon out of the siding because of the one on the left?..... hat, coat, gone Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytrains Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) Why would they be transferring the load? Gordon A Who knows. ID the two men and they will probably tell you why. The Peak looks almost as grubby as the WD, plus a brake tender behind the Peak. Edited March 16, 2018 by andytrains Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Why would they be transferring the load? Gordon A cleaning it out for the next customer! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
73c Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Who knows. ID the two men and they will probably tell you why. The Peak looks almost as grubby as the WD, plus a brake tender behind the Peak. There's another 2 brake tenders behind the darker 16t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted March 21, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2018 8f 25-2-63 Rugby + by Rob Hodgkins, on Flickr Scrap through Stockton by Kevin Lane, on Flickr BWR0466 D1829 ON 8P70 FREIGHT PASSING DERBY ST MARYS GOODS DEPOT 11.1965 by David Russon, on Flickr 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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