Poor Old Bruce Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Can the prototype work in multiple with production power cars? Between 'Prototype' and 'Production' power cars, a couple of wires got crossed over. BR Research found out the hard way when using two production cars for the first time with Promethus. When power was applied, nothing seemed to happen in forward or reverse apart from a bit of shuffling. It was then noticed that both power cars were in forward or reverse instead of one in forward and the other in reverse. Joe Muggins was sat at track side waiting for it to show Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Yet another step closer! http://www.railwaymagazine.co.uk/news/prototype-hst-power-car-works-first-train-for-38-years Would have been good to see. Regards, Wild Boar Fell 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettTheThief Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I remember seeing the PC in tow with a locomotive as the bus from Gotham passed under a railway bridge near Loughborough. Also, that's awesome, Wild Boar! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob F Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Had a chat with one of the Project Miller volunteers whilst cabbing the prototype at the Etches Park open day. He said there were absolutely no plans for mainline running due to the difficulty and expense of fitting all the required modern safety systems. I did wonder if an itinerary could be devised where the prototype was always the trailing power car but he thought that was highly unlikely! Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 A youtube video of the launch 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Great stuff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 16, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 16, 2014 Fantastic, I didn't realise they'd got it to work in multi with a production power car. Good to see the exhaust cleared when it got a bit more use Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
modfather Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Between 'Prototype' and 'Production' power cars, a couple of wires got crossed over. BR Research found out the hard way when using two production cars for the first time with Promethus. When power was applied, nothing seemed to happen in forward or reverse apart from a bit of shuffling. It was then noticed that both power cars were in forward or reverse instead of one in forward and the other in reverse. Joe Muggins was sat at track side waiting for it to show They rewired it this way in preservation too. Two hst electricians found them a test box to try a few months ago and offered a bit of help in the right direction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Could someone let Rapido trains know there is a serious opportunity here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Yet another step closer! http://www.railwaymagazine.co.uk/news/prototype-hst-power-car-works-first-train-for-38-years Would have been good to see. Regards, Wild Boar Fell I did and all we thought was the negative effect it was going to have on our beloved Westerns..............how time changes one's perspective ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Triang Paul Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) As I have said before, great work and when it DOES go mainline, I shall be there!!! Have to nickpick about the ground crew in the vid though. Standing on railheads,sleepers and running on ballast,no bump cap........ !! Edited November 18, 2014 by Cornish Triang Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
modfather Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Knowing the shunter on the pres line his PPE is as specified by the gcr. He is an industry professional and a member on here, not a part time amateur. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted February 14, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 14, 2016 See today's pictures of the semi-HST running on the GCR(N) http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/99474-great-central-railway-news/page-6&do=findComment&comment=2202633 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted October 9, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2019 Sadly the 125 Group have announced that 41001 will be returning to the NRM in early November as there has been no agreement with the NRM to extend the loan agreement. See tribute article on their news page https://www.125group.org.uk/ Wondering if there will be a BOGOF offer on ex-traffic class 43s? Two good ones needed. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted October 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2019 A sad day for the 125 group after all their hard work. Gutted for them 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I guess perhaps as HSTs are now coming off lease, 43002 has been donated to the NRM as well that maybe they believe the 125 group should be obtaining production power cars under their original plans. The longer 41001 is operating the greater the risk of accident and something so important being damaged or worse lost. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted October 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2019 As much as I feel for the 125 Group, I can’t but feel that returning the prototype HST power car might be for the best financially for them. With so many production HST’s coming off or already off lease, surely it would be better as the group to acquire one of those instead? The costs of getting one back on the mainline would be minimal compared to using the prototype which as others have mentioned, would need a full kit installed which in the eyes of the NRM, it then becomes non authentic. Use the experience as a learning curve and if it time the NRM decides to let it venture outside the walls of York, then coming under the custodianship of the group again is a very real possibility. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted October 10, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Bucoops said: A sad day for the 125 group after all their hard work. Gutted for them Sad day indeed, lets hope they can get a couple of class 43 to replace it. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rab Posted October 10, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2019 6 hours ago, jools1959 said: As much as I feel for the 125 Group, I can’t but feel that returning the prototype HST power car might be for the best financially for them. With so many production HST’s coming off or already off lease, surely it would be better as the group to acquire one of those instead? The costs of getting one back on the mainline would be minimal compared to using the prototype which as others have mentioned, would need a full kit installed which in the eyes of the NRM, it then becomes non authentic. Use the experience as a learning curve and if it time the NRM decides to let it venture outside the walls of York, then coming under the custodianship of the group again is a very real possibility. The NRM seem quite happy to allow non-authentic bits to be fitted to other locos they own. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted October 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2019 After all the work that went into this , this is an absolute travesty. The NRM have been lambasted for giving stream locomotives away why couldn't they give this away. After all it's not that long ago it was dumped in the annex with a view to sectioning it. No doubt once it returns to york some petty excuses will be found to make sure it never runs again like the rest of their diesel fleet. Never thought I'd say this but the NRM is quite as horrible organisation these days 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 I guess the NRM is the best place for it, so they can give the loco the same care and attention they bestowed on the LSWR T3, or the 2-HAP, or the GWR whitewash coach..... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 I believe there is a lot of non-prototype-authentic modifications that have been done, to it to enable it to run, using production items, modified where necessary. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
25901 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 I have heard on the grape vine that there may be a plan to pull the power unit out before it gets to York as the one fitted does not belong to the NRM 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdseyecircus Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 16 hours ago, woodenhead said: The longer 41001 is operating the greater the risk of accident and something so important being damaged or worse lost. But you could apply that logic to anything running in a preserved railway. I guess the success of the prototype is that not many people have hauled by it were as a production run HST may take a while to gain a following. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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