Brian Harrap Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 Thank you all for your support. I felt I needed something more to do on the QUAI:87 layout. Extending it is not really practical nor what I fancied doing, I rather like the compactness of it as it is and adding anything extra to an already overcrowded layout of not much more than 3 sq m was going to require a bit if thinking about. After a recent visit to some of the brown coal mining areas in the Czech Republic and seeing some of their electric locomotives with six pantographs got me to thinking. So, I thought, if I dream up some off scene (and actually not modelled) exchange sidings I could have the odd electric locomotive trundling onto the quays to deliver wagon(s) directly to the wagon hoist. It's proving a little tricker than I imagined arranging the locations for the overhead masts and pull offs etc, and some of the clearances are going to be a bit tight between some of the buildings. Threading the overhead around and under the high level line gantry work is also going to have to be carefully considered. And before that I have to address the crossing of the new OHL work (1500v) with that of the tramway (750v). In real life this difficulty would be overcome with a short neutral section at the crossing and coasting over but that isn't going to work in P87. Trials have yet to be carried out to see If this can be solved by seeing how well the extraction company locomotives perform on 750v and then run them up from the sidings on the lower voltage. All this just for something to do - though I may just cut down on the number of pantographs. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 Welcome back, Brian. Obviously the rumours about you languishing in an East European Gulag were a wicked fabrication. I thought we might have seen you at the GRS do today! Thank you Howard, some of them weren't too bad once I got used to the Gulash soup. Long time since I was with the GRS by the way. Baron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Hello Brian, Are those Czech mining locos much the same as those used in eastern Germany (ex DDR)? If so, I have an interesting article about them in "Today Railways, Europe" from not too long ago! They fascinating machines and it would be really something to see a model of one. However, I believe the extra side pans were/are to collect power while running through the coal loading area. I'm sure someone will happily correct me if that's wrong but I'm quite sure this was the case. Cheers, John E. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Thank you all for your support. I felt I needed something more to do on the QUAI:87 layout. Extending it is not really practical nor what I fancied doing, I rather like the compactness of it as it is and adding anything extra to an already overcrowded layout of not much more than 3 sq m was going to require a bit if thinking about. After a recent visit to some of the brown coal mining areas in the Czech Republic and seeing some of their electric locomotives with six pantographs got me to thinking. So, I thought, if I dream up some off scene (and actually not modelled) exchange sidings I could have the odd electric locomotive trundling onto the quays to deliver wagon(s) directly to the wagon hoist. It's proving a little tricker than I imagined arranging the locations for the overhead masts and pull offs etc, and some of the clearances are going to be a bit tight between some of the buildings. Threading the overhead around and under the high level line gantry work is also going to have to be carefully considered. And before that I have to address the crossing of the new OHL work (1500v) with that of the tramway (750v). In real life this difficulty would be overcome with a short neutral section at the crossing and coasting over but that isn't going to work in P87. Trials have yet to be carried out to see If this can be solved by seeing how well the extraction company locomotives perform on 750v and then run them up from the sidings on the lower voltage. All this just for something to do - though I may just cut down on the number of pantographs. Hope it all pans out. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted July 17, 2015 Author Share Posted July 17, 2015 Hello Brian, Are those Czech mining locos much the same as those used in eastern Germany (ex DDR)? If so, I have an interesting article about them in "Today Railways, Europe" from not too long ago! They fascinating machines and it would be really something to see a model of one. However, I believe the extra side pans were/are to collect power while running through the coal loading area. I'm sure someone will happily correct me if that's wrong but I'm quite sure this was the case. Cheers, John E. Hello John, are they the same as the DDR ones? I'm not sure, depends which ones you're thinking of I suppose.The ones I came across this trip (at a mine near Chomutov) are as attached photo. Looking at them again now I see they are rather too big to be trundling around QUAI:87 with just a couple of wagons, so I may have to come up with something a little more in keeping (unless Roco bring one out). Y'r right about the side pantos though. I've been taking TREu since Nr 1 but cant quite place the article - the library mistress hereabouts is sometimes not always as attendant to her duties as she should be. Regards, Brian 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 The fairly easily EBay obtainable old US "Roundhouse" box cab (or stretched a bit) might make a believable mid size electric loco conversion. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Hello Brian, At first I thought the Czech one was a somewhat stretched version of the DDR one, then I realised it is a three section unit. Blimey! That's very different and a B-B-B to boot! Not much of a cab is it!?! I guess the article I was on about was roughly two years ago, embarrassingly I can't lay my hands on it, sorry. Cheers, John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dullsteamer Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Maybe something like this for an electric loco? Cheers, Mark. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stadman Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 (edited) Hello John, are they the same as the DDR ones? I'm not sure, depends which ones you're thinking of I suppose.The ones I came across this trip (at a mine near Chomutov) are as attached photo. Looking at them again now I see they are rather too big to be trundling around QUAI:87 with just a couple of wagons, so I may have to come up with something a little more in keeping (unless Roco bring one out). Y'r right about the side pantos though. I've been taking TREu since Nr 1 but cant quite place the article - the library mistress hereabouts is sometimes not always as attendant to her duties as she should be. Regards, Brian Interesting loco's. Have seen similar operating in China (Coal and steel) alongside steam locos. Also a narrow gauge of same make in Germany. Edited July 18, 2015 by stadman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 The fairly easily EBay obtainable old US "Roundhouse" box cab (or stretched a bit) might make a believable mid size electric loco conversion. Andy Hello Andy, Sounds like an idea. Motors wound for 600v I imagine so should be able to run it on the tramway supply. I have somewhat missed having electric traction on QUAI:87 (tram excepted) especially after running the all electric AXALP for so many years. Regards, Brian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stadman Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Different loco in China https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/little-old-different-and-unusual-locomotives/photos/photostream/lightbox/332064466?orderBy=mtime&sortOrder=desc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/332064466 Looks like it was abetter loco with a tower added for pickup. I leaned over the side trying not to touch whilst grounded, it looked rickety. The place was deserted although faces started appearing at doors and windows as we (group) took interest an photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 However, I believe the extra side pans were/are to collect power while running through the coal loading area. I'm sure someone will happily correct me if that's wrong but I'm quite sure this was the case. . Hello John, some wag suggested the side pantos were for pickup on curves on super super superelevated track. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Hello Andy, Sounds like an idea. Motors wound for 600v I imagine so should be able to run it on the tramway supply. I have somewhat missed having electric traction on QUAI:87 (tram excepted) especially after running the all electric AXALP for so many years. Regards, Brian. Maybe something in the Roco range which is slightly smaller ........ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tenshodo-HO-Scale-16-5mm-52019-Electric-Locomotive-Type-Toshiba-40t-Standard-/150977847153 Possibly a bit expensive for older folk? http://www.kato-unitrack.co.uk/brawa-drg-e95-02-epoche-ii-29057-0.html Lots of wheels, grills, and articulated to boot? Maybe one of the above to start with? Then gradually add to it as the mood strikes? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSB Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Have you considered a narrow gauge version. Might be easier to fit in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tenshodo-HO-Scale-16-5mm-52019-Electric-Locomotive-Type-Toshiba-40t-Standard-/150977847153 Possibly a bit expensive for older folk? http://www.kato-unitrack.co.uk/brawa-drg-e95-02-epoche-ii-29057-0.html Lots of wheels, grills, and articulated to boot? Maybe one of the above to start with? Then gradually add to it as the mood strikes? Older folk? I may be in the low 70's but that's only 25 in celcius! Brian 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSB Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 70 is the new 50! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted July 18, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 18, 2015 Something a bit smaller from Chomutov - maybe a better size for Quai 87? E406 0501 Chomutov 01.07.07 by Werner & Hansjörg Brutzer, on Flickr 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Ah yes, the perfect loco, Had a problem with the link, some spurious characters on the end, this worked better, http://www.mkmodelbouwstudio.nl/ Keith 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dullsteamer Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tenshodo-HO-Scale-16-5mm-52019-Electric-Locomotive-Type-Toshiba-40t-Standard-/150977847153 Possibly a bit expensive for older folk? The prices quoted for these models on eBay are a joke. You can get decorated versions of the same model through Japanese retailers like HobbySearch for about US$120. http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10091042 I have two of these locos - they're very nice models with smooth, quiet and powerful mechanisms. Cheers, Mark. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dullsteamer Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Yes, I can do that when I go home tomorrow. Watch this space! In the meantime, here's one of mine in Keisei Dentetsu livery: Cheers, Mark. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 Yes, I can do that when I go home tomorrow. Watch this space! In the meantime, here's one of mine in Keisei Dentetsu livery: Cheers, Mark. I'd be very tempted but the 1:80 scale bothers me Brian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSB Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 And probably a 3' 6" gauge prototype? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 In this instance, perhaps we are looking at an 'industrial' loco, including some battering? Since indeed the loco is a 'narrow gauge' prototype, then perhaps the slight increase in scale will bulk it up to standard gauge heftiness? If the pan proves a bit large[r], then there's always Sommerfeldt? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl19 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Or something like this, Swedish class HG. Model is from Jeco. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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