RMweb Premium Neil Posted July 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 20, 2015 This might be a bit small, but it's rather lovely. Not a make I've heard of before. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted July 20, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 20, 2015 This might be a bit small, but it's rather lovely. Not a make I've heard of before. Very Harrapian, if I may say so, seems to me to be just up his street! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dullsteamer Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 The key dimensions of the Tenshodo model of the Toshiba 40-ton steeplecab are as follows: Length over headstocks - 125mm Width over underframe - 33mm. Width over cab handrails 36mm Height over cab roof - 48mm. Height over pantograph at maximum extension - 72mm Bogie centres - 67mm Bogie wheelbase - 30mm Wheel diameter - 11mm. The pantograph on the model represents a TDK-C type, and is relatively small. The photo I posted cheats a bit, the pan isn't quite touching the contact wire. Although mainly used on 1067mm/3'6" gauge lines, there were versions of these locos on 1372mm and 1435mm gauge lines as well. The model has a very nicely designed and made mechanism that picks up and drives on all 8 wheels. The mech is fairly heavy so the loco has good hauling power for it's size. Lighting is by directional LEDS, and there is an 8-pin DCC receptacle tucked away under one of the hoods. The undecorated models like those in Alistair's post have a pack of detailing parts including handrails, brake pipe hoses and marker lights. As I mentioned earlier I have two of these locos, and I'm very pleased with their appearance and performance. The real locos were very durable and long-lived - even today there are still a few in service with Japanese private railways. But if you fancy something smaller... Cheers, Mark. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dullsteamer Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 My pleasure. I do have dimensions for the little loco, which is Chosi Dentetsu Deki 3, but again you'll have to wait until I get home tomorrow morning. All the best, Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted July 22, 2015 Author Share Posted July 22, 2015 Thank you all for your locomotive suggestions, I am spoilt for choice really. Special thanks to Neil Rushby for directing me to the little Dingler electric on ebay - I would never have come across it myself and now I've gone and bought the thing, waiting the postie with anticipation. What I have to do now of course is some serious survey work as to where and how the electrification is to go. See attachment. The most obvious route is as shown by the red line (sorry about the wobbilyness of lines, not very good at lines), avoiding the narrow gap between buildings but unfortunately crossing the old Dutch style swing bridge (the white one) which is listed and therefore cannot be modified to take the OHL equipment. This means it will have to take the orange route through the tight spot and over the green bridge. Mostly the overhead line is arranged to swing with the bridge structure but I am tempted to just run it straight over the waterway. (Couldn't do that over the white bridge because of its construction). Must be a prototype for that somewhere, I hope. Masts, washing lines etc on the barges using the canal will have already been lowered to pass under imagined low clearance structures just of scene. Also I think I will design and build some different style masts, and paint them a differing colour to visually distinguish the two systems - we don't want some errant operator trying to drive the tram up to the interchange or arsey verky do we. Brass tubing and piano wire moving on site. Baron. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted July 22, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 22, 2015 If I've got the link right this swing bridge in Ghent features fixed overhead cables for the tramway giving clearance for modest sized craft on the waterway below. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 If I've got the link right this swing bridge in Ghent features fixed overhead cables for the tramway giving clearance for modest sized craft on the waterway below. Might even double as a turntable. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted July 23, 2015 Author Share Posted July 23, 2015 If I've got the link right this swing bridge in Ghent features fixed overhead cables for the tramway giving clearance for modest sized craft on the waterway below. Yes the links right thanks Neil - I am intrigued to know what I am to Search and Destroy though (see on building in pic) Brian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted July 23, 2015 Author Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) I'm aware of a small lift bridge that lifted the track about 7 ft, so well below the OHL wire. Said wire was therefore not interrupted. It was on the old double track Amsterdam-Utrecht line, now superseded with a higher bridge to take the full 4 track section passing the small canal. Ah, the old lift bridge over the river Angstel opposite Mijnden, how could I forget it. Thanks for reminding me. That's the Baroness in the picture (no kidding) - we spent several days at this location many years ago, watching the trains and the barges go by, whilst Herself recovered from a sprained ankle. As you say the bridge has been bypassed now and taken away but the sluice was still there on my last visit a couple of years ago. Baron Edited July 23, 2015 by Brian Harrap 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted July 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2015 I am intrigued to know what I am to Search and Destroy though (see on building in pic) All evidence. we spent several days at this location many years ago, watching the trains and the barges go by The barriers were down that long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted August 3, 2015 Author Share Posted August 3, 2015 Finally settled on the style of OHL mast for the new electrification on QUAI:87. As I said before I wanted something distinct from the tram line mast so there is no doubt about there being two separate electrical systems. The tramway mast, you may recognise, is on the left in the picture and the mining type mast on the right. I was at first tempted to add a bit more filigree work on the industrial mast but reckoned that might be a bit OTT for a down to earth (under the earth?) mineral extraction company. So I left it with just the one piece for show, maybe they got the masts second hand (pre loved) at a knockdown price from a line that was upgrading - who knows what goes on? Baron 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I'm not at all familiar with what continental Europe would use in an minor industrial setting. But from an engineering point of view, would you even use horizontal bar and wire together styles for pantograph operation? Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted August 3, 2015 Author Share Posted August 3, 2015 I'm not at all familiar with what continental Europe would use in an minor industrial setting. But from an engineering point of view, would you even use horizontal bar and wire together styles for pantograph operation? Andy Oh yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Oh yes I guess I was expecting this new extension would be catenary. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted August 8, 2015 Author Share Posted August 8, 2015 Whilst making my way along the waterside on QUAI:87 this morning, plotting out where the new overhead masts would go (trickier than I imagined - going to need several specials), I passed by the old tractor powered loading chute, and remembered I hadn't shown it to you on RMweb, so I'll share it with you now. You can read all about it in that excellent publication, Scalefour News 193. Baron 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted August 8, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2015 (trickier than I imagined - going to need several specials), Intriguing! How about one or two lattice or concrete posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted August 8, 2015 Author Share Posted August 8, 2015 Intriguing! How about one or two lattice or concrete posts? I was thinking of using one of the RMweb posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 There's a bandwagon joke in here somewhere. . . . If you see a bandwagon passing by you're too late. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 If you see a bandwagon passing by you're too late. B dopple, Dopple, DOPPLE, LLLLLEEEeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrr-rrrrrrrrrrrrr-rrrrrrrrrrrrr-rrrrrrrrrrr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Tis only a small detail that I've been meaning to add for ages and I was reminded on a recent trip along the canals of the Low Countries just how prominent the Kilometer markers are on the canal sides, usually painted on whatever is convenient, sometimes on their own posts. I opted to paint (dry print lettering) mine on a building side facing the canal junction. Whither to or whence to which place the distance on my marker refers is not determined but the indication shown seemed to me somewhat mandatory. Baron Edit. The new electrification will squeeze between the buildings through the gap to the left. Edited August 13, 2015 by Brian Harrap 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Do the prototype bridges have a "landing" slope on the open stabilizing outer stub rail arc? Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 Do the prototype bridges have a "landing" slope on the open stabilizing outer stub rail arc? Andy Hello Andy (Thank you for your interest in QUAI:87 by the way) and yes most swing bridges, other than very old primative types, do have some sort of "landing" or stablizing device at the outer "flapping about" end, although I have not modelled it. My daughter spent some time as a swing bridge (and lock) operator on the Caledonian canal in Scotland where the bridges (which I was able to study in some detail) are stablised and locked at the far end by hydraulic wedges, or rams, which is I believe, how most modernish types are done these days. Carefull observation of these bridges in operation will show the far end of the bridge deck rise a centimeter or so to (land) road or track level and then lock into position. I have seen older bridges where the arc rail is raised up as a ramp and have seen a turntable in France where the ring rail had raised 'lands' for the deck to ride up on to stablise and level it. Fascinating subject for us sados. Baron. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Hello Andy (Thank you for your interest in QUAI:87 by the way) and yes most swing bridges, other than very old primative types, do have some sort of "landing" or stablizing device at the outer "flapping about" end, although I have not modelled it. My daughter spent some time as a swing bridge (and lock) operator on the Caledonian canal in Scotland where the bridges (which I was able to study in some detail) are stablised and locked at the far end by hydraulic wedges, or rams, which is I believe, how most modernish types are done these days. Carefull observation of these bridges in operation will show the far end of the bridge deck rise a centimeter or so to (land) road or track level and then lock into position. I have seen older bridges where the arc rail is raised up as a ramp and have seen a turntable in France where the ring rail had raised 'lands' for the deck to ride up on to stablise and level it. Fascinating subject for us sados. Baron. QUAI:87 (and of course it's handsomely hirsute builder) is an inspiration to me. It's also very illustrative of European ways of constructing infrastructure, that I missed either visiting or noticing in my ill-spent youth. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted August 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 14, 2015 Give a thought to us minions who have to operate the thing. I've finally learned what not to do when operating the swing bridges and hoist and now there's going to be 'offset' catenary to figure out! Oh joy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Meanwhile, as I look at the flanges of 18.201.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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