Cornish Triang Paul Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I have often thought about what exactly is the most typical loco for Cornwall ? I guess it depends on era so there could be more than one answer. Would it be the 45xx or D600s ? Prehaps a 57 ?!! Or maybe a 4-4-0 Duke ? What are the contenders and why .........? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Brinkly Posted June 19, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2011 I suppose for length of service the Beattie Well Tanks! There where there for donkey's years. Regards, Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted June 19, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2011 I suppose for length of service the Beattie Well Tanks! Apart from something odd and unique to the Liskeard & Caradon Railway, I guess Nick is spot-on here. The other locos could be seen working elsewhere for just as long, whereas Cornwall was pretty much the last bastion of the well tanks for many years. Put it this way, if I see a 45XX, I don't immediately think of Cornwall, nor with a D600, but with a Beattie, the Wenfordbridge line is what immediately comes into my head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRat Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Spot on with the Well Tanks, in the same way Adams Radial Tanks immediately mean Lyme Regis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 For me Class 22 D63xx as I have many fond memories of seeing them at Truro, on the Falmouth Branch and in and around St Blazey Roundhouse. Xerces Fobe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted June 20, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 20, 2011 None of us alive today remember the fleet of Beattie well-tanks which used to work into and out of Waterloo. The trio which survived (and two of which still survive) are only remembered as working from Wadebridge shed and are most often associated with the Wenford goods. No other class of loco within anyone's memory has served so long and so identifiably with a Cornish location alone. It is perhaps ironic that while the GWR, its predecessors and successors were always the major player the clear winner of this accolade goes to an SR (LSWR) type. 45xx worked outside of Cornwall as much as within the Duchy as did the hydraulic types albeit the 600's were largely confined west of Plymouth for some years. Not being familiar with Liskeard & Caradon (nor indeed the even earlier Hayle Railway) motive power I am happy to support the 0298 Class (aka Beattie well tanks) as a "Loco for Cornwall" though if we were looking only at main-line types then I would go with the 600s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Brinkly Posted June 20, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2011 I suppose the pair of 0-6-2 locos, Lord St. Leven and Earl of Mount Edgecumbe running on the old Callington line are another type, but I don't automatically think of Cornwall and think of them, the Beatties win every time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Brinkly Posted June 20, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2011 I suppose the pair of 0-6-2 locos, Lord St. Leven and Earl of Mount Edgecumbe running on the old Callington line are another type, but I don't automatically think of Cornwall and think of them, the Beatties win every time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 If we're talking about 'unique to Cornwall' in our collective memory then the Beattie Well Tanks.But as 'typical of Cornwall' then the 45xx/4575 prarie - they were more of a workhorse and got around a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tre pol and pen Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 has to be a Grange- made for the job! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Brinkly Posted June 29, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 29, 2011 has to be a Grange- made for the job! Their little wheels did work the mainline well, but then the same could be said for the T9? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 29, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 29, 2011 This is something of an apples and oranges question - it's a bit like asking which class of engines was "best". The 0298s - I saw all three at the time - were very restricted in their bailiwick, and would not have been of much use on other parts of the LSWR in Cornwall in the C20. Some would think a Bulleid Pacific was the typical loco, although they only managed a bit less than 20 years, really, while the T9s were there for much longer, and so were the Maunsell Ns. Arguably, since there was rather more GWR then LSWR/SR in Cornwall, a GWR loco would seem more representative, perhaps. But Castle or Pannier, or something in between, and anyway, they were seen on the LSWR/SR lines about as often as a T9 on the GWR bits, so representative of what? Perhaps a beam engine from a Cornish mine might be more universally justifiable? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R A Watson Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Alfred and Judy from Par Docks. Unique styling, and only ran in Cornwall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Triang Paul Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 Beam engine - ah very good !!! Did think about " Bill and Ben ". Why does'nt Hornby model them ?? I think the 45xx for GWR, Welltanks for SR and D6oo for BR. As for now....... unsure. Ask me afew years into the new franchise !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted June 30, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 30, 2011 Did think about " Bill and Ben ". Why does'nt Hornby model them ?? They used to make them. (some issues as to the scale though) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Triang Paul Posted July 1, 2011 Author Share Posted July 1, 2011 I did'nt mean Bill and Ben as such but Alfred and Judy and the third one. this would have given Hornby more sales for the model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoker Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 They used to make them. (some issues as to the scale though) I made a scale drawing of alfred a while ago, and even in 4mm it's a tiny locomotive. From memory, 11mm diameter wheels, 2cm wheelbase, 3cm overall width, and about the same in height. You could fit a good 4 or 5 of them inside the length of a class 37. I plan on scratchbuilding one or perhaps both, but finding a donor chassis has proven a bit of an issue. I've got to say that this is a bit of a tricky topic though. For diesels on clays you could pick anything out of list of classes 22, 25, 37, 42, 46, 50, and 52! Steam on clays is a bit easier, with the Beattie, Alfred and Judy, panniers and prairies. For a while the 153 unit became something of an icon for the Newquay branch. Perhaps it's not a class we're looking for, but more a specific locomotive. Maybe "William Cookworthy" or "Tre Pol and Pen". Or perhaps, "Penydaren"? I have to admit that the first locomotive that popped into my head when I read the title of this thread was "City Of Truro". Best, Scott. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods_of_Revolution Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 For me it would be a Tractor, that's what jumps into my mind when I think of Cornwall. From the mid-80s to the late 90s 80-90% of Clay was tractor hauled, they were also perfectly suited to the job. They were also there in "Cornish Railways" days with several machines receiving variations on lizard double arrows, Cornish flags, headboards, appropriate names etc Cheers, Jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith33 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 If it's steam era, depending on locality there's a big choice, I grew up & train-spotted from 1950-1958. West Cornwall(below Truro)until roughly 1962: Main line - Castle,County,Hall,Grange,4300,5700(& variants),7400,4500,with a 9400 on duty at Penzance. Apart fom a Summer surprise we saw these ad infinitum, day in day out. If in the early 50s you could even have a Brit as 70019 Lightning came down on the Riviera & back up on an evening pax for some time. But ex-GWR men soon gave up with that one! Branches - almost exclusively 4500s, double-headed St Erth - St Ives on the through Riviera in Summer. Past Truro to Lostwithiel were 4200s (St Blazey)& reportdly a Manor though I never saw one. At Lostwithiel a 1400 ran to Fowey. Besides the main branches there were off-shoots to Hayle docks,a factory near Camborne,the old Newham terminus at Truro, Par docks & a maze of minor china clay lines. On the Southern, which I always thought exotic & fast compared to the sedentary ex-GWR,were West Countries/BOB,T9,N,O2,ex-LMS 4100, Well Tanks &,later,GWR 1600. It's all a bit boring nowadays! Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted August 18, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 18, 2011 On the Southern, which I always thought exotic & fast compared to the sedentary ex-GWR, An interesting alternative view which I would not have expected to hear from a local. My gricing was slightly later - '61-65, and being on holiday with parents, just the odd day - but the basically single-track Southern lines were always a bit thin on trains, however much I liked them, while getting to Bodmin Road ensured a regular supply, and as you have identified, a better selection of power - even more so in my era as the diesels were well and truly present, too. When it comes to rosy-glow modelling nostalgia, I'm back to Southern, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tankerman Posted September 16, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 16, 2011 As to which class of locomotive would be regarded as typically Cornish there are quite a few suitable candidates, but my vote would go to the Granges. Many more years ago than I care to admit to I was a member of Falmouth Model Railway Club. One evening we had an informal talk by someone, a foreman I think, from Laira shed; at the end of the talk he offered to answer any questions. One of the questions asked was "Which of the various classes was the best" and you could almost hear the sharp intakes of breath from the King and Castle supporters. His answer was that he didn't know about the rest of the system, but west of Newton Abbot a Grange was worth two of anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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