cctransuk Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Upon looking at the Hattons site I must say I really hope the canvas cover for the coal space is removable. I cannot recall this feature appearing in any photos of them when in service. First job tomorrow when it comes will be to investigate! Tony I can't say that I've ever seen a suggestion of a canvas coal space cover - and the limited number of BR-period photos that I have certainly don't show one. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I'm tempted to buy one of the LMS or other current versions and weather it myself because I'M SO IMPATIENT with weathered revolving bunker versions to arrive maybe in May.... Is there a pill for this malady? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Apparently not as I just bought a lightly weathered LMS fixed bunker version, with VAT off it is a comparable price to a weathered s/h Hornby light Pacific... I wonder how those footrests and pony truck brakes will stand up to things... Edited February 28, 2014 by robmcg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ikks Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2014 Heard that delivery was imminent, so decided to break the news to SWMBO, took her outside with a couple of glasses of Adelaide Hills savvy blanc and confessed......... Initial reaction " that's expensive", I replied it's very big, I'll show you a picture(which I had earlier hidden behind the front door) she said "very impressive, no wonder you want one", it's OK then? I said, "of course" she replied. Three odd years of worrying about this all for nothing!!!........you just can't pick 'em can you? Mind you I didn't mention the black LMS Twins, the 1F tank, the Stanier Mogul, the inspection saloon and a Wickham Trolley.........a case of selective memory I think!! Rgds..........Mike 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I feel like a kid at Christmas. Have had a heavily weathered version on order for a long time. Also must have a good read of my Irwell Book of the LMS Garratts to immerse myself in the subject. I think the model will look good in a shed scene or diorama, not sure how many of us have large layouts with wide curves for 80+ wagon trains... ? Good stuff Heljan and Hattons! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I can't say that I've ever seen a suggestion of a canvas coal space cover - and the limited number of BR-period photos that I have certainly don't show one. Regards, John Isherwood. According to Irwell's tome, 'L M Garratts', p11, lovely picture of 4994 on Brent-Toton empties in Spring 1931,. the canvas cover was an abortive attempt to deal with coal dust when travelling bunker-first. on p46 it is further described as to how it worked, and didn't last... Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2014 Shame on you Heljan/Hattons, you do realise that by delaying the Weathered BR versions until May my wife will have returned from 3 months in NZ. I was living in hope that my pre order would be here while she was away and I would not have to go hrough the same embarrassing situation Mike # 510 had to endure. To say I am worried is an understatement, I only hope that the Garratt is worth the anguish I am going to endure! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neal Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Shame on you Heljan/Hattons, you do realise that by delaying the Weathered BR versions until May my wife will have returned from 3 months in NZ. I was living in hope that my pre order would be here while she was away and I would not have to go hrough the same embarrassing situation Mike # 510 had to endure. To say I am worried is an understatement, I only hope that the Garratt is worth the anguish I am going to endure! Beware! One of the weathered BR ones is still listed as March! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2014 Apparently not as I just bought a lightly weathered LMS fixed bunker version, with VAT off it is a comparable price to a weathered s/h Hornby light Pacific...I wonder how those footrests and pony truck brakes will stand up to things...BG_LMS_4978_1abc_r800.jpgBG_LMS_4978_4a_r800.jpgBG_LMS_4978_3ab_r800.jpg Will look just as good hauling 20 ( Bank Holiday Toton-Brent) coal wagons) .Bravo,Rob...this one looks the"business',doesn't it ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2014 Reading all of these posts....aren't we all a crew of naughty little boys caught scrimping apples from the tree.....self the worst of all,I add? I just can't choose which one. Quite fancy the LMS one Rob has chosen but all my coal wagons are BR...so it will probably be a wait until May. Wait a minute....that's my birthday ! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2014 Shame on you Heljan/Hattons, you do realise that by delaying the Weathered BR versions until May my wife will have returned from 3 months in NZ. I was living in hope that my pre order would be here while she was away and I would not have to go hrough the same embarrassing situation Mike # 510 had to endure. To say I am worried is an understatement, I only hope that the Garratt is worth the anguish I am going to endure! Take it like a man.....plead it's a Hornby R 3191 you sent for "repair" under warranty.If that doesn't work,plead temporary insanity under the strain of her prolonged absence.Make a list of the condemned man's last wishes here........ Posted by a fellow traveller in deviousness..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Impressive pulling power as well….(With thanks to Richard Johnson - DCC Concepts) Edited February 28, 2014 by gordon s 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2014 Wonderful advert for the Garratt ( wonder where the sound is from?) and Richards Powerbase system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 ... not sure how many of us have large layouts with wide curves for 80+ wagon trains... That must be everybody who has purchased the currently available 8F and 9F models, surely? They were all capable of managing such loads. In 1914: "the new Gresley type mineral engine of 2-8-0 arrangement has commenced working 1300 ton loads on the Peterborough - London coal traffic, requiring trains of 80 or more wagons". When the first 9F+ appeared in 1925 in the form of the P1, the limits of what the GN section could accomodate in train length were reached with the 100 wagon train required to give these beasts an economic load. Better start enlarging our layouts for that model... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Impressive pulling power as well….(With thanks to Richard Johnson - DCC Concepts) To save you all counting -it's 65 wagons. Tony 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Wonderful advert for the Garratt ( wonder where the sound is from?) and Richards Powerbase system. I must admit hadn't heard of Richard's 'Powerbase system', so went off to look it up. Jeez, that could have saved me a lot of problems on earlier versions of ET! I picked this video up on MRF, so have asked Richard to clarify whether that is a standard loco or if it has been fitted with Powerbase magnets and what the gradient is. I think the sign says 1:30, so will clarify that once I have a reply. Edited February 28, 2014 by gordon s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Just had a reply from Richard to clarify one or two points….. Now that is impressive pulling power from a standard RTR loco! ***Hello Gordonno problem with the link - its there to be seen...Powerbase really works well, as you will have seen from the other videos I hope :-) if not there are many at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUTWZDHQ6Mq7K_qU73IR6jA ... or just google dccconcepts powerbase to find a link.The Garratt has NO powerbase - it is the ONLY loco we have tested that is so good I don't think its needed it would add to the pulling power but the train potential would then be, at a guess, perhaps 200 4 wheel wagons!! Its one tough loco!the gradient is 1 in 30the gradient length with easements at each end (on the curves) is actually a wee bit over 6 metres. Its way over 4' climb.powerbase also improves electrical pickup and reduces the need for track cleaning... so its a bit of an all round winner. It has only been available for about 6 months, so I couldn't have shown you earlier :-)Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2014 The Garratt on that demo has impressive pulling power taking all those wagons up a 1 in 30 gradient. I hope the brakes are good when it returns down that gradient with the loaded wagons!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2014 Shame on you Heljan/Hattons, you do realise that by delaying the Weathered BR versions until May my wife will have returned from 3 months in NZ. I was living in hope that my pre order would be here while she was away and I would not have to go hrough the same embarrassing situation Mike # 510 had to endure. To say I am worried is an understatement, I only hope that the Garratt is worth the anguish I am going to endure! Even if it did arrive when she was away, I'm sure she would notice it on the layout. How about buying an Airfix/Dapol engine shed and hiding the Garratt in that. Corrrection: make that four Airfix/Dapol engine sheds! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2014 I feel like a kid at Christmas. Have had a heavily weathered version on order for a long time. Also must have a good read of my Irwell Book of the LMS Garratts to immerse myself in the subject. I think the model will look good in a shed scene or diorama, not sure how many of us have large layouts with wide curves for 80+ wagon trains... ? Good stuff Heljan and Hattons! Same thoughts here. I had that book nearly as long as the Garrett has been on pre-order Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2014 One has appeared on e-bay selling for £ 249. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 One has appeared on e-bay selling for £ 249. Sorry for being pedantic, but there are actually 2 available from that seller http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=151243056884 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2014 Sorry for being pedantic, but there are actually 2 available from that seller http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=151243056884 Not at all. Hattons will no doubt be interested in copyright issues....if nothing else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mow Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Not at all. Hattons will no doubt be interested in copyright issues....if nothing else. And you have to pay for the postage on top of his mark up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2014 Any bets on how long Hattons allow him to keep the images up on line ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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