Free At Last Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) It looks as if the centre wheels are flangeless, I hope they're not. The earlier pictures had all flanged wheels. I'll be at the shop tomorrow so will get more info. Edited December 7, 2012 by Free At Last Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) It looks as if the centre wheels are flangeless, I hope they're not. The earlier pictures had all flanged wheels. I'll be at the shop tomorrow so will get more info. They do look flangeless. If this is so, it's an odd move at this stage of the game when Hornby has had all-flanged wheels on its Fowler 2-6-4T for donkeys years (same w.b.). Edited December 8, 2012 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 The pre-production model I saw of this had flanges on all wheels, curious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams442T Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 They do look flangeless. If this is so, it's an odd move at this stage of the game when Hornby has had all-flanged wheels on its Fowler 2-6-4T for donkeys years (same w.b.). Yes, surely no-one is intending to push this around 'toy trainset' curves. A retrograde step IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 It looks as if the centre driving axle is sprung, and in the photo it is clearly not on the same level as the other driving wheels, so it may just be that it has jammed in the "up" position. See also the jointed coupling rod, which is also not quite level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 If ever a model needed weathering! I too hope the centre drivers have flanges for production. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free At Last Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I had a look at this model in Hattons today and it did have flangeless centre drivers, yet the ealier sample they still have on display has all flanged wheels. On enquiring I was told the production model would be all flanged. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neal Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 They're just toying with us! I bet there is a product engineer in Sonderso, reading this and laughing his head off. Or at least I hope so...... N Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) Ironically, Garratts were built to go around toy train curves. That should read "Some Garratts", perhaps even "Most Garratts" but Derby did insist on the standard midland 8' +8'6" wheelbase, and since the whole railway was built to suit locos with that wheelbase it was not an issue for them. Incidentally, not such a big size difference between a GMAM and an LMS Garratt, the GMAM was some way off the SAR's biggest. Loco length weight cylinders boiler dia TE LMS Garratt 87'10" 155.5 18.5 x 26 6'9" 40250 SAR GMAM 95' # 191.75 20.5 x 26 7'0" 60700 #dimension from RR 20th class, will be the same within a few inches EAR 59 class 251.68 20.5 x 28 7'6" 73500 Great photo Alastair Keith Edited December 30, 2012 by Grovenor 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jawfin Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Hmm... Not my region, but if it was in my era I would go for one... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted February 21, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21, 2013 Has Anyone heard when we can expect the first Garratts? I know there was going to be a delay but it would be nice to have an idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted February 21, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2013 I asked Hattons last week and they said end of March. (subject to change) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelixM Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 They today wrote to me: " Hi Felix,Thank you for your email.We are currently expecting delivery of the Beyer Garratts sometime in April. All variants are due in at roughly the same time. If you do pre-order more than one variant, you can request that they be shipped together.I hope this information helps.Regards " Felix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 (edited) Beyer Garratt's at Bacup, over the Mendips, through Llanbourne and at Peterborough very soon then.... I'm pretty sure they can be justified at Loony Kerbside but the one due to be drafted to Lees for tests on the 'Delph Donkey' through Greenfield met local opposition from the F.L.G Union ('Fukc Large Grates') Edited March 16, 2013 by coachmann 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSG Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 April is not all that far away. That leaves me with just a few weeks to think up a plausible explanation for one appearing in a smallish goods yard in Stoke-on-Trent Actually, it will probably just go into the cabinet for now (after a run round the test track, of course) while I put together some plans for project 2. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Looks like this is going to be an expensive year. You wait years for stuff and then it all comes at once. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 ...That leaves me with just a few weeks to think up a plausible explanation for one appearing in a smallish goods yard in Stoke-on-Trent ... Simply select a yard on a cramped industrial site with a rail overbridge above part of it. Subsidence of bridge pier due to coal mining settlement, Garrat unexpectedly in yard... Easy. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapland Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Just placed order for one which somehow will have both survived beyond 1956 and also got onto the North London line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 (edited) Just placed order for one which somehow will have both survived beyond 1956 and also got onto the North London line. Just in case you weren't aware, 47994 was listed in the 1958 edition of 'Observers Book of Railway Locomotives of Britain', stationed at Hasland, Chesterfield. The reason one migrated to the North London Line was because someone mentioned Beyer Peacock and one of the old Superintendants said, "We'll have that... Peacocks used to run on the NLR before old chap". Edited March 16, 2013 by coachmann 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapland Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Thanks Coachmann, so one did travel on part of the North London Line then, I was only kidding. I could imagine one getting down to Kentish Town Shed if something needed fixing that Cricklewood couldn't I must admit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Just placed order for one which somehow will have both survived beyond 1956 and also got onto the North London line. Hi I am not sure about the North London line but they were reported on the Kentish Town to Barking line and on to Thames side. Roger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Downer Posted March 18, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 18, 2013 Hi I am not sure about the North London line but they were reported on the Kentish Town to Barking line and on to Thames side. Roger. Oh no. This could prove very expensive. Do you remember where this was reported - I haven't seen any photographic evidence myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 (edited) IIRC. they did get to the following places that were out of the normal. York, Peterborough and Bescot or was it Saltleigh. Just maybe to Manchester (Gorton?). Don't forget Crewe. OzzyO. Edited March 18, 2013 by ozzyo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapland Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Oh no. This could prove very expensive. Do you remember where this was reported - I haven't seen any photographic evidence myself.Love to learn more I must admit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Peter Beckett Posted March 18, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 18, 2013 I am waiting until I see reports that one made it to Hastings (in Victoria). Come on, Hattons, please send mine down-under soooon! Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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