RMweb Premium Crepello Posted November 28, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 28, 2011 Just seen Ben Ando's review in the new 'Model Rail'--surprised and disappointed to see they don't have NEMs but plug-in couplers; I assume this is for technical reasons because of the short (10'6'') wheelbase but I think the new GN vans and opens will have NEMs with a 10' wheelbase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 14.8mm axles for 2mm'ers out there - the Association axles drop straight in. Lovely models! Pix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave777 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Waiting for mine to arrive, should be tomorrow with luck! I'll bung some photos up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Just seen Ben Ando's review in the new 'Model Rail'--surprised and disappointed to see they don't have NEMs but plug-in couplers; I assume this is for technical reasons because of the short (10'6'') wheelbase but I think the new GN vans and opens will have NEMs with a 10' wheelbase. It'll probably be because Presflos have hopper bits hanging down just where you want to put the NEM stuff for going around corners. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeharvey22 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I am getting confused. Do the Presflos have NEM coupler pockets (NEM352) with plug in couplers (NEM357) but without the close coupling arms (NEM 352 and 355)? My experience with continental stock where the outer axle is close to the headstock is that with close coupling arms the gap between vehicles becomes exaggerated and buffers can still be separated by a largish gap even on the straight. Bogie pivots and axles just get in the way of the geometry and engineering needed. Mike Edit on 7 December: Now I have seen Ben's review it looks like these will candidates for the Dapol NEM pocket conversion to replace the conventional clip-on box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave777 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Well they've arrived, and pretty stunning they are too. Photos at the weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave777 Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Well, I didn't say which weekend Possibly a bit late as anyone who was thinking of getting some will probably have done so by now. But here they are anyway. Snowcrete version: And the other side, showing the detailed pipework: There's a slight problem with the signage as the bottom shows signs of having been broken off a sprue or something: Nothing that a bit of weathering wouldn't disguise, but you can see the uneven finish in the previous photos as the slight missing bit in the midde of the sign. Some of the detail is pretty impressive - note the handle for discharging (I assume): Ladder is a little on the chunky side, a shame it can't be as fine as the handrails on the top: The other one I purchased was the less fancy 'Bulk Cement' version: The other side, again showing the fancy pipework. Note the gauge under the first 'E' in 'Cement' - very neat! Printing is good, the blurriness here is more my camera than the model: Probably reaching the limit of what can be achieved with N gauge printing. This text is partially readable I would say - and from normal viewing distance it looks perfectly acceptable. Some of the words can be made out though, which given their size is amazing. You get coupling hooks and air pipes to fit in the box: Very, very nice indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 That handle would be to alter the brake application according to whether the wagon was laden or unladen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave777 Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 I knew I should have just said 'there's a handle' and left it at that! Good info, ta Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Printing is good, the blurriness here is more my camera than the model: Probably reaching the limit of what can be achieved with N gauge printing. This text is partially readable I would say - and from normal viewing distance it looks perfectly acceptable. Some of the words can be made out though, which given their size is amazing. Very, very nice indeed. Remarkable! I like the way that the maintenance panel contrasts the pre-printed left hand entries and the hand painted dates. Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave777 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 That handle would be to alter the brake application according to whether the wagon was laden or unladen. Just looking at the different models on the Farish website Bernard and this seems to have been a later addition to Presflos? The earlier ones don't seem to have it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I suspect it might be more that the APCM ones normally ran in block trains, whereas the general service Presflos would run with other wagons. It must make a big difference if 20 odd wagons are full or empty, whereas one or two in a train won't have the same effect. It's good attention to detail - notice too how the pressure dial on the side is set lower on the one with the board on the side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Just looking at the different models on the Farish website Bernard and this seems to have been a later addition to Presflos? The earlier ones don't seem to have it. The earliest batches had only a single vacuum cylinder, the double cylinder appears to have been introduced with lot 3156 in 1958. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflo The APCM had double cylinders. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/apcmpresflo Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted December 11, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 11, 2011 Dave, how securely are those nameboards attached? Would there be any chance of prising them off to represent the later part of the wagons' lives without ruining the model? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave777 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Not sure, I'll have a look tonight and report back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave777 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Well I tried gently prising one off and it made a cracking sound like the glue was breaking so I backed off. Tried some photos with a light behind so you can see what's holding it on - looks like there's two bits, I'm not sure if there's holes in the side of the Presflo itself or just lugs on the back of the sign. Summary? Really don't know matey. It's too close/tight behind the sign to see how it fits together. I wonder if the OO version might give you a clue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted December 12, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2011 Thanks for looking. That last pic suggests it's a plenty-of-glue job so probably wouldn't come apart neatly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D1059 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I ordered 2 of the 3 packs of the weathered variety from Osbornes on Friday - they were on the doorstep Sunday morning. They look very good, the printing is amazing. I'll have to see if I can get some pics up before Christmas. STEVE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Now I have seen Ben's review it looks like these will candidates for the Dapol NEM pocket conversion to replace the conventional clip-on box. But will it fit? If the the problem is insufficient space for an NEM pocket then presumably the Dapol one will not fit either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McRuss Posted December 20, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2011 Did the Presflows need special equipment for unloading or could they unloaded on Team/loading track with access for a cement lorry with some kind of pump. And is it plausible to send them on a branchline to a station where a larger construction site is in the neighborhood? yours Markus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Crepello Posted December 21, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2011 Did the Presflows need special equipment for unloading or could they unloaded on Team/loading track with access for a cement lorry with some kind of pump. And is it plausible to send them on a branchline to a station where a larger construction site is in the neighborhood? yours Markus Yes the Presflos can be unloaded into a road vehicle;'' British Railways Today and Tomorrow'' (1962) says: ''The wagon is loaded by gravity and at the receiving end of its journey the cement is discharged by air pressure to a storage silo or to a pressurised road vehicle, using either a stationary compressed air supply or a portable air compressor'' No excuse for not getting some now Markus! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Do I assume correctly that these models are dimensionally accurate, unlike the old N gauge presflos that were about two scale feet too wide? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave777 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Can't answer the question directly Dave, I'll happily measure them for you but it'll be a ruler job as I don't have a micrometer. I would guess the Model Rail review would include as assessment of the dimensional accuracy. Alternatively, since these are scaled down from the OO version then if that was correct I would assume the N gauge version would also be correct, but 'assume' is the key word there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Crepello Posted January 26, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2012 Pleased to say I've now got a couple of close-coupled Presflos by fitting Bachmann 'dummy knuckle couplers' (item 42532) in place of the Rapidos. I got these from Model Junction, Slough, (usual disclaimer). A great improvement, with no problems on small radius points but a fiddly job with those springs flying off into the carpet! These couplings seem to be the answer for the short-wheelbase wagons in the Farish range where NEM pockets aren't practical, so long as standard couplers are at the end of a rake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Pleased to say I've now got a couple of close-coupled Presflos by fitting Bachmann 'dummy knuckle couplers' (item 42532) in place of the Rapidos. A useful find, thanks for the tip. I might try some of these on the inner ends of my Dapol B-sets which are also not graced with NEM pockets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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