Kev_Lewis Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 Fictional?!? What, now you tell me - I thought it was another standard GWR design. Illusions smashed... Ha! Well it does now have a lot of standard parts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_Lewis Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 Just for Spams; Mark 1 coach handles. I started this JLTRT Mark 1 BG kit early this year, I think. It was purchased secondhand from eBay and unsurprisingly there were a few bits missing. So with Nellie packed away I thought I'd better finish it ready to sell on as it's now out of period for my layout. Full credit has to go to Rob Pullham for how to make these. They're just a bent piece of annealed 0.8mm brass wire that has been flattened on the end. T handles are currently on order from Invertrain. One side is now done, I got a little distracted watching Tattoos After Day. Do you need a BG for Pencarrow Chris? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 30, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 30, 2014 Nice handles. A BG did cross my mind but I suspect it would be a bit overkill. Now a small Southern CCT.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_Lewis Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 Yes, it is a big ol beastie, I've got a GWR 40' full brake to replace it. Ah, I have a SR CCT in the unbuilt kits pile, but that one I will be keeping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Pulham Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Now back to some proper modelling. Sorry Kev, I have to strongly disagree. You don't get more "proper modelling" than this in my book. She looks superb with a coat of paint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall5 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Hi Kev, 'hope you don't mind me picking up part of your thread from nearly 2 yrs ago (i've not long joined RM web and have been going back over your, most interesting, build diaries). Talk about co-incidences, we must have both been building Kirk Siphon G's and JLRT Fruit D's at the same time and struggling to find the same information. As you found out Ian's Siphon G (Dia O22) is kind of a half way stage between the earlier O11 with outside body framing and the later, much more numerous, O33 with vertical planking. I was fortunate in being able to scan the relevant pages from the HMRS Siphons book and a copy of MRN from 1952 which gave a lot of information particularly that, despite what it says on the Swindon drawing, the O22's were gaslit like the O11's and the official works photo (and photos of them in traffic) confirm this. I pretty much built it as you did except that I built the sides around a half height braced box and an inner (flat) roof for strength. I fitted new truss rods from brass angle (the supplied ones are generic/LNER ones) and copied the detail on the ends from the O11 which according to the MRN is also correct for the Siphon H. At first I built a set of JLRT 9' American bogies for it as I was copying the unique preserved O22 (the rest had 7' bogies) but didn't like the look of them and went back to the ones suppied in the kit. I found the JLRT white metal ones way over-priced and horrible to build. As you found out the JLRT Fruit D is a bit of an odd-bod. The body seems to be of a Y14 (gas lit) but the chassis belongs to one of the last batch to be built by B.R. (diag 805 IIRC). As I model the '58-61 period I added the electrical switchgear to one end to represent, I hope, one in the W92xxx series. Unfortunately I had finished the model before I read about the incorrect buffer spacing but have modified it, following your method, without causing too much damage. This sort of lax design work on an expensive kit is inexcusable IMHO. I posted a question on the G0G forum a while back re the colour of the ends - a topic which concerned you also IIRC. Colour photographic evidence on most NPCS is hard to come by as they were always filthy but I found a couple of pictures of newly painted horseboxes and the ends were certainly black just like other coaching stock. Obviously I can't be sure if all Siphons and/or Fruit D's were the same (and I know Paul Bartlett and I differ on this) but I've painted mine black. I wonder sometimes if our memories are skewed by the model manufacturers as certainly the old Hornby Dublo Fruit D, Utility and Mk1 Horsebox all had body coloured ends,presumably to simplify the manufactuing process. I realise it is too late to help your models (or mine for that matter) but I hope my comments may help others building similar vehicles. Cheers, Ray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_Lewis Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 Hi Ray, There certainly were some trials and tribulations with the Kirk Siphon G and JLTRT Fruit Ds. The Siphon G has gone to a new home because I decided I didn't need two, so I've kept the much more accurate Scorpio outside framed Siphon G. The Fruit Ds I'm going to live with until I can get hold of some WEP kits. The only thing I can add to your post above is that I have acquired a copy of J.H Russell's "A Pictorial Record of Great Western Coaches Part 2" and Russell states that during his time working for the GWR from 1928 to 1945 the ends of brown vehicles were painted brown. That's a good enough source for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Hi Kev, If you have not ordered the T handles yet, you can have some of mine I have plenty left over from that B set I built. I see the saga on the van ends has appeared again , when I was down the East Somerset the other year there were two fruit D's awaiting restoration, I still could not make out the original colour of the ends, but there was still some maroon plant flaking off the sides of the older of the two vans which still had the gas fittings on show. You can still see the pass/fruit on this one, Maroon or Carmine ? ATB, Martyn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_Lewis Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 Hi Martyn, Thanks for your kind offer. The T handles actually arrived today, superb service from Invertrain as always. So I have enough for the BG, and the BSK I also plan to build to sell on. I will be glad when I eventually get to see the back of those JLTRT Fruit Ds. I hope WEP will be at Reading in December. But I am confident enough to paint the ends black. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall5 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Hi Kev, Thanks for your comments. I've had a copy of Russell's book for years and used it for info on the Siphon and Fruit D. I must admit I didn't make a note of his comments re end colour as he only refers to the GW period. It is strange though that all passenger stock except auto trailers (and maybe other specialised stock) had black ends but not NPCS according to Russell - or am I misunderstanding something? When I referred to photos of black ends on horseboxes this was on vehicles painted in B.R. livery. 3 link's photos of the Fruit D's were very useful in showing some of the lettering and maroon paint with crimson underneath. Just a thought - does anyone know if the gas lighting on the Y11/14's fell out of use during their latter years as I don't ever remember seeing lamp tops on the roofs. There was a link on Nat Pres recently which gave details of the 1949 Swindon coach lining/lettering specs. Hope it's useful. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8453031/GWR/Baugh.PDF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_Lewis Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 Yesterday, while waiting for the glue for the BG windows to dry, I made a start on the bogies for the BSK. So many castings! Lovely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_Lewis Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 Nearly broken then back of the bogies for the BSK. Last batch of bits are nearly ready for fitting. They are starting to look the part now though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Boucher Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Hi Ray, There certainly were some trials and tribulations with the Kirk Siphon G and JLTRT Fruit Ds. The Siphon G has gone to a new home because I decided I didn't need two, so I've kept the much more accurate Scorpio outside framed Siphon G. The Fruit Ds I'm going to live with until I can get hold of some WEP kits. The only thing I can add to your post above is that I have acquired a copy of J.H Russell's "A Pictorial Record of Great Western Coaches Part 2" and Russell states that during his time working for the GWR from 1928 to 1945 the ends of brown vehicles were painted brown. That's a good enough source for me. I recently purchased one of WEP's Fruit D kits. Haven't started it yet, but what a magnificent set of etches! Its clearly the most complex brass kit in my "to be built" inventory, so it'll be a while before I get to it. But, I suspect you'll be happy with the kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I recently purchased one of WEP's Fruit D kits. Haven't started it yet, but what a magnificent set of etches! Its clearly the most complex brass kit in my "to be built" inventory, so it'll be a while before I get to it. But, I suspect you'll be happy with the kit. Hi Mike, I have built one of the WEP's Fruit D's ( still in brass at the moment ) it's a very enjoyable kit to build, and it will take you a few evenings to build as there are loads of detail to add, the one piece of advice I will offer is to leave the steps till last as they are quite easy to accidentally knock off ( a few times ). ATB, Martyn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_Lewis Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 I recently purchased one of WEP's Fruit D kits. Haven't started it yet, but what a magnificent set of etches! Its clearly the most complex brass kit in my "to be built" inventory, so it'll be a while before I get to it. But, I suspect you'll be happy with the kit. Hi Mike, I built a WEP Fruit D a few years ago, details are here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/1151/entry-9966-wep-7mm-gwr-fruit-d/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Boucher Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Hi Mike, I built a WEP Fruit D a few years ago, details are here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/1151/entry-9966-wep-7mm-gwr-fruit-d/ Nice work on that Fruit D! I'm going to paint mine in GWR brown... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_Lewis Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 That will look great Mike. My BR version has since been sold on, and as the JLTRT kit is something of a hybrid they will also be going eventually. Hopefully WEP will be at Reading this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daifly Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 That will look great Mike. My BR version has since been sold on, and as the JLTRT kit is something of a hybrid they will also be going eventually. Hopefully WEP will be at Reading this year. Doubt it. I don't think that Bill 'does' either of the Reading Shows Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_Lewis Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Doubt it. I don't think that Bill 'does' either of the Reading Shows That's a pain in the a55 then. He wasn't at Bristol this year either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_Lewis Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Phew! The bogies are done. An interesting comparison between JLTRT and Wayoh bogies. Now on to the fun bit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted October 14, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 14, 2014 Nice bogies! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_Lewis Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Nice bogies! Thanks Chris. I will no longer be getting looks of disgust from members of the household when I tell them "I'm makings bogies!". I'd also like to say thanks to everyone who keeps "liking" my posts. I can't quite believe that Nellie has received 17! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_Lewis Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 Just a little work on the underframe trusses tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_Lewis Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 All the big electrical bits went on nice and easy tonight. Next is the brake cylinders and all their gubbins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_Lewis Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 Brake cylinder and gubbins at one end. Next, the same on t'other end and work out how to join them together. The linkages between them aren't covered in the instructions, but there are a pair of V hangers spare on the etch. Luckily I have a copy of Keith Parkin's BR Mark 1 Coaches which has some great diagrams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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