johnd Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 surely at tick over the track voltage on dc is nil so I don't understand how that works? I can see basic functions working as you drive the loco but not at tick over? You get sound whenever current is applied you have to learn the min setting at which it works. If you park on an isolated piece of track ( siding ) with no power of course no sound. You can have sound but it is restrictive and when you increase power then it increases. DCC is really best with it but yes with DC you can have basis sound Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Suppose the trouble is you can't sound horns etc.with DC? Not so bothered about buffer clank, guard's whistles and coupling up noises that the sound chips I've got come with, but being able to make the loco go "dee daa" at the appropriate moment is the icing on the cake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernelectric Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Nothing. If you've bought a DCC sound-fitted loco to run on DC, you've just chucked £100+ in the bin. It won't run on DC. Nada. Nothing. I had to remove the DCC chip from mine to ge it to run on DC on my rolling road. Sound? You'll get motor and gear whine, but that's it. That was my experience too, of trying to run a DCC sound-fitted Bachmann Deltic 'St Paddy' on a rolling road with DC control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aac Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Thanks, then I will. I will also say that I think Bachmann have been very fair since they were asked to deal with the Class 40 problem. I've got 211 on order and have no worries. D211 has arrived. Out of the box and away on the button. No problems. Great sound. Set it to move and it winds up the revs and pulls away about 3 seconds later. Good fun doing a cold start/fail/restart. I'll also pay due thanks to Hattons. I had an email from them last night at 1728 saying it had been sent out at 1726. It was on a 48 hour delivery order and it actually arrived by courier at 1250 today. Better go - a perfect 211 awaits another drive. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I received my 40 141 from Hattons yesterday. I asked them to give it a quick check before dispatch. All seems fine at the moment! Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernelectric Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 So what's happening with the non-DCC green model 32-481 (D369)? Are Bachmann testing those at Barwell or they not even in the country yet, anyone know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviesparx Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Well yes, hats off to Hattons - received mine this morning after yesterday's e-mail confirming despatch, and all at the pre-order price of £128...! But, unboxed and onto the track and the noise started straight away... but a loud screeching, nothing a class 40 ever made.... A quick re-address of the chip, all quiet then the same screeching again... Not wanting to risk serious damage, removed from the track...did I perhaps note a slight burning electrical smell as well ? Anyway, will be sending it back - Before reboxing, I did take a look around the wheels, etc, no sign of white grease, but possibly light oiling - Has this already been 'remedied' yet it's still faulty...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernelectric Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I received my 40 141 from Hattons yesterday. I asked them to give it a quick check before dispatch. All seems fine at the moment! Jim How is it behaving over pointwork? I can't test my 40 141 on anything other than a rolling road at present...so any problems like others have had probably won't show up... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowlander Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 This is going to cause a sharp intake of breath and therolling of many pairs of eyes skywards......but can this be operated on DC and if it can what range of sound,if any,could be achieved ?Apologies for my heresy...but I only asked.The sound of a 40 remains in my ears from way back....1959. Hi Ian Dcc sound locos can definitely be run on dc powered track. As has already has been stated, you will only get the start up and running sounds, no horns etc. You may need to change some cv's though. I'm sure this question has been asked and answered on the Dcc sound topic of the forum. We as a club (Ayr mrg) tried it on our oo layout "Swinlees" about four years ago and posted the results on you-tube. It was limited, but enjoyable, it did show the potential. So much so most of the members have now gone over to full Dcc. Hope that helps Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 How is it behaving over pointwork? I can't test my 40 141 on anything other than a rolling road at present...so any problems like others have had probably won't show up... Yeh, it's ok with slow movements over complicated point work, however there does seem to be a difference in speed between forward and reverse. Forward running, cooling fan, A end leading, runs noticeably slower. I've run it continuously for about half an hour but it didn't seem to "free up" I know most model locos have a "tight" direction but this one is more noticeable. Anyway, as soon as I think it's settled down, I'll be adding Howes sound to it. That reminds me, on the model, under the cooling fan, there seems to be a ready made speaker "holder". It looks like its for a bespoke speaker who's contacts are provided by the "holder" to the pcb. The first 40 141 I've had, I soldered a speaker with wires directly onto the speaker terminals on the pcb. I was wondering where you can get speakers that utilise the "holder"? Mind you, I need 100 ohm speakers as I'm still using Loksound v3.5s Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Yeh, it's ok with slow movements over complicated point work, however there does seem to be a difference in speed between forward and reverse. Forward running, cooling fan, A end leading, runs noticeably slower. I've run it continuously for about half an hour but it didn't seem to "free up" I know most model locos have a "tight" direction but this one is more noticeable. Anyway, as soon as I think it's settled down, I'll be adding Howes sound to it. That reminds me, on the model, under the cooling fan, there seems to be a ready made speaker "holder". It looks like its for a bespoke speaker who's contacts are provided by the "holder" to the pcb. The first 40 141 I've had, I soldered a speaker with wires directly onto the speaker terminals on the pcb. I was wondering where you can get speakers that utilise the "holder"? Mind you, I need 100 ohm speakers as I'm still using Loksound v3.5s Jim For a V3.5 - 28mm round Loksound 100 ohm speaker (fits the holder) - from SWD / Digitrains / DCC Supplies etc etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 So what's happening with the non-DCC green model 32-481 (D369)? Are Bachmann testing those at Barwell or they not even in the country yet, anyone know? This model is here at Bachmann and is going through the same process as D211 so I wouldn't expect in the the shops for a few weeks, maybe about 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aac Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Well yes, hats off to Hattons - received mine this morning after yesterday's e-mail confirming despatch, and all at the pre-order price of £128...! But, unboxed and onto the track and the noise started straight away... but a loud screeching, nothing a class 40 ever made.... A quick re-address of the chip, all quiet then the same screeching again... Not wanting to risk serious damage, removed from the track...did I perhaps note a slight burning electrical smell as well ? Anyway, will be sending it back - Before reboxing, I did take a look around the wheels, etc, no sign of white grease, but possibly light oiling - Has this already been 'remedied' yet it's still faulty...? While trying out things I notched up by mistake at very slow speed and wondered what had happened. Have you tried notch down F12 just to see if that drops out the screech (making sure F11 is off)? I still put myself in the learning bracket with DCC, but try combinations of F11 and F12 to see if it cures it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durranhill Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Will anybody be doing this to their sound 40 http://www.flickr.com/photos/77243361@N07/8016406652/in/photolist-ddobpN-dfsuAL-9V7jKB-9LiNba-br5mrH-br5n5v-6158vU-92LsYW-5XCfCP-6157Wf-92CnUQ-d4kQ6s-9hQuuF-arGTzu-3N2h8b-dxzsiU-4w1Jb5 - it looks like one of those pro weathered locos that are sold on ebay . Stewart . 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 9, 2014 (edited) Nope - but will be doing this - picked mine up from CMC at Leamington & Warwick show today http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=d200+heaton+Mersey Work required: 1. Out with the model strip - off with the numbers, names and OHLE flashes 2. Remove small hand rails on top of nose and moulded lamp irons on outer nose ends - D200 has neither of these 3. Mask off and spray on small yellow panel 4. Fit new lamp irons in unique D200 position either side of nose doors - have some correct ones removed from recent WR Class 37 projects 5. Fit new handrails on outer nose ends and blank off coupling pockets 6. Renumber and reapply OHLE flashes and D200 numbers (Fox transfers) and TOPs data panels and blue star coupling codes (Traintech) 7. Touch up green around handrails and new lamp irons 8. Add buffer beam super detailing and frost grilles 9.Weather D1067, 6601/786/885/992, 1662/9 5901 all in final stages of reassembly following similar treatment - better finish them first! Phil Edited March 9, 2014 by Phil Bullock 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 That's how 40 106 looked in 1978....Not dirty you'll notice, just worn and patched paintwork. It would have been a celebrity a couple of years later when jobs were haemorrhaging like no tomorrow and lots of folk were taking up railway photography. But in 1978 folk were still on picket lines during the week! There was also a green 47 knocking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffwba Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Mine arrived from Hattons on Saturday (ordered in December and I paid the pre-order price). So far I am impressed and can find no major faults. It does occasionally stutter at slow speed and not only on points but I think this is down to my track needing a really good clean . It certainly doesn't bother me and I shall not be taking it apart to modify the pickups. I also own a Bachmann Class 85, which I gather has a similar pickup arrangement, and have never had any problems with it- indeed it is one of the smoothest running locos in my fleet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgj Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 That's how 40 106 looked in 1978....Not dirty you'll notice, just worn and patched paintwork. It would have been a celebrity a couple of years later when jobs were haemorrhaging like no tomorrow and lots of folk were taking up railway photography. But in 1978 folk were still on picket lines during the week! There was also a green 47 knocking about. I remember most class 40s in the mid to late 70s being very clean. Some I saw were actually ex works and gleaming! I think that 40 106 was repainted in about 78 so became shiny, too. The shed that had a reputation for not bothering to clean locos was Bristol Bath Road. Their locos were filthy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimP Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Mauretania arrived today - stutters and judders at slow speed and sound cuts out over track that other locos manage fine - think this one is going back *sad face* Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted March 10, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 10, 2014 Nope - but will be doing this - picked mine up from CMC at Leamington & Warwick show today http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=d200+heaton+Mersey Work required: 1. Out with the model strip - off with the numbers, names and OHLE flashes 2. Remove small hand rails on top of nose and moulded lamp irons on outer nose ends - D200 has neither of these 3. Mask off and spray on small yellow panel 4. Fit new lamp irons in unique D200 position either side of nose doors - have some correct ones removed from recent WR Class 37 projects 5. Fit new handrails on outer nose ends and blank off coupling pockets 6. Renumber and reapply OHLE flashes and D200 numbers (Fox transfers) and TOPs data panels and blue star coupling codes (Traintech) 7. Touch up green around handrails and new lamp irons 8. Add buffer beam super detailing and frost grilles 9.Weather D1067, 6601/786/885/992, 1662/9 5901 all in final stages of reassembly following similar treatment - better finish them first! Phil Keep us posted Phil - I'm tempted to try to get the ladder off myself.. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 10, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 10, 2014 Have you got a ladder fitted? mine are securely in the accessories bag and are staying there!!! P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aac Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Mauretania arrived today - stutters and judders at slow speed and sound cuts out over track that other locos manage fine - think this one is going back *sad face* Tim Have you tried adjusting CVs using the comprehensive advice in the Loksound V4 site referred to in the documents that came with the loco? Just read the CVs on the Read programme and record them before adjustment, and you can always reset them later if you do need to return it. Maybe we and others can exchange thoughts on optimum settings. I think the sound is great for the low speed work around shunting, coupling up and pulling away, etc. I also enjoy selecting speed 1, waiting for the sound to start revving and then reselect zero speed. Sounds like the driver is bored and itching to get started! Also, there might still be a bit of residual grease coming out after some running. I don't have any of the Isopropyl Alcohol they use in the #730 photos, but a touch of malt vinegar on a fine paint brush seems to work if I need to degrease things sometimes. Good luck. aac Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durranhill Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 A nice clear picture of a body/colour combination not yet done on a 40 by Bachmann - D387 at Carlisle with carflats 16th June 1972 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/96859208@N07/9648182736/in/photostream/ Stewart . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 10, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) A nice clear picture of a body/colour combination not yet done on a 40 by Bachmann - D387 at Carlisle with carflats 16th June 1972 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/96859208@N07/9648182736/in/photostream/ Stewart . That's no excuse!!! D373 at 9 mins 30 secs.... Phil Edited March 10, 2014 by Phil Bullock 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Mauritania docked this morning........ courtesy of Tim at Arcadia Models ( superb service as always) Some observations: I placed the loco on the already powered up track, It blew its horn and gently accelerated to around 40mph the Fan working but no engine sounds, I then switched on the DCC handheld ( Gaugemaster Prodigy) selected '3' ran the speed setting up to max then back to zero, loco continued on its merry way. So placed the loco on programming track set address to 2 and tried it again, following the suggestions in the Bachmann instructions, the sound powered up from cold start, then settled down to idle rythm, I moved the speed control to around 50% max, nothing! Sound continued but no movement, tried this a couple of times, during which all sound functions were tested as working, but still no movement. Next stage use ones own digital experience to sort it out, turned off sound completely, selected 50% speed on the throttle loco moved of and ran no problem, then switched on sound (f1) loco continued OK, stopped loco, switched everything off, then tried again and the sound but no movement prob. happened again. So next action was to reset the decoder Value 8 in CV 8., tried the loco again everything worked correctly. A couple of other observations, Maximum speed is very fast guess around 200 scaleMPH, I like locos to have a much lower max speed, Bachmann state the MAX setting for CVs 5 & 6 ( Top & Medium speed) is 64. I think this is incorrect, because setting the value for these 2 CVs to a value of 40, resulted in a maximum speed of around 30 scale MPH, I eventually used a setting of 120 for CV5 and 100 for CV 6, which results in a top speed of estimated 75 Scale MPH which suits me. As far as actual running is concerned the loco seems to be nearly OK! I am running it on my 0n30 layout at the moment!! there is one curve quite gentle about 30" radius where the sound on the loco stutters, indicating perhaps a short break in power collection, but on another part of the layout with a 15" (possibly a bit less) radius it goues around perfectly, demonstrating rather a lot of overhang!! Hope this is infomative whilst writing all this the loco has been goin' round in circles on the 0n30 line! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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