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Il Grifone

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Another "price it high because it's out of stock....??  " (Even though it says 10 available, the description says "more stock coming soon")

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Imitation-load-of-lumped-coal-for-Bachmann-16T-mineral-wagon-/221194733194?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item33803bc68a

 

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Mick

 

It looks like someone doesn't understand the branding "16T"!

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Il Grifone

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At the time the wagon was built £250 would have bought nearly enough coal to fill the wagon twice over!

 

The figure I found for 1950 was around £2.50 - £3 a ton (production cost - retail was considerably higher).

 

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1950/jul/13/national-coal-board (lots of political waffle to wade through).

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The Stationmaster

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The figure I found for 1950 was around £2.50 - £3 a ton (production cost - retail was considerably higher).

 

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1950/jul/13/national-coal-board (lots of political waffle to wade through).

Late 1950s/early'60s (I can't remember the exact year sorry) house coal retail was about 15/- per cwt which was what a ton had cost retail in the early years of the 20th century according to contemporaneous adverts.

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Another "price it high because it's out of stock....??  " (Even though it says 10 available, the description says "more stock coming soon")

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Imitation-load-of-lumped-coal-for-Bachmann-16T-mineral-wagon-/221194733194?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item33803bc68a

 

Cheers,

Mick

Why not name the shop that sells these, if you go to the trouble to say this?

 

"These loads have created such interest they are now stocked in a major model railway store based in Portishead near Bristol"

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Il Grifone

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Late 1950s/early'60s (I can't remember the exact year sorry) house coal retail was about 15/- per cwt which was what a ton had cost retail in the early years of the 20th century according to contemporaneous adverts.

 

Allowing for inflation and the costs of transportation and selling this figure would appear reasonable - £3 at the pit could easily convert to £10 retail and inflation during the fifties was around 50%.

 

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As to the coal loads - wouldn't it be easy and much cheaper to make your own. A small bag of real coal is not very expensive and provides a life time supply for wagon and tender loads.

 

For some reason, it looks very realistic....

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Metr0Land

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I would not like to buy this item as it is in a very poor state and could be demead in a very poor condition. 

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Model-Train-Controller-Smoothflow-Power-Unit-/301031842531?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item4616e562e3

 

Terry

 

Looks like others agree with you as it didn't sell last time he listed it!

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I would not like to buy this item as it is in a very poor state and could be demead in a very poor condition. 

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Model-Train-Controller-Smoothflow-Power-Unit-/301031842531?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item4616e562e3

 

Terry

 

Electrical items this old are really only for collectors and not for plugging into the mains and they wouldn't really want one in this condition. A trip to the local recycling centre?

 

I found this discussion about another example of a similar item (with a photo of the insides). Of the advice given, I can agree only with the " get expert advice" option.

 

http://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=16737

 

I'm not that keen on the laptop power supply idea either (they're not just transformers and are likely to be switched-mode units).

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I'd like to meet the man who could get 16 tons of coal (other than wet 'duff') into a 16 ton Min - usual load with housecoal sort of stuff was about 9-11 tons.

 

Reasonable I suppose, as they are not really any larger than the 12/13T wagons they replaced.

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The 12T Wagons were re-rated to 13T to "aid the war effort" during World War Two. (Did the wagons get re-rated in the First World War?)

No changes were made to the wagon. (Funnily enough, the Tri-ang R.10 (etc.) Open Wagon remained "12T"..."12T Open Goods Truck")

 

Was this rated tonnage the gross tonnage, including the wagon?

 

The load would be calculated by taking the "Tare" (Empty) weight from the weight of the loaded wagon, where wagon weighbridges were available (Coopercraft for OO Gauge!).

 

I suppose the tare weight of a Steel wagon could be lower than that for a wooden wagon?

 

Also, the steel underframe should be a bit stronger?

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I'd like to meet the man who could get 16 tons of coal (other than wet 'duff') into a 16 ton Min - usual load with housecoal sort of stuff was about 9-11 tons.

:offtopic: When I worked on a coal wharf in the early 1960s the amount in wooden or steel wagons was usually about the same, around 10 tons, depending on the colliery (soft/hard/anthracite) and size (big lumps or stove nuts).

 

When I did one particular bunker job for a disposal point about 1980 there were two loading streams as a good quality seam was found where the coal came out in big lumps. We were often invited to try our hand on the loaders when commissioning the panels and while I could get 30-32 tons of dust in a moving HAA wagon I couldn't manage more than about 15 tons of large coal in an HTV. 

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:offtopic: When I worked on a coal wharf in the early 1960s the amount in wooden or steel wagons was usually about the same, around 10 tons, depending on the colliery (soft/hard/anthracite) and size (big lumps or stove nuts).

 

When I did one particular bunker job for a disposal point about 1980 there were two loading streams as a good quality seam was found where the coal came out in big lumps. We were often invited to try our hand on the loaders when commissioning the panels and while I could get 30-32 tons of dust in a moving HAA wagon I couldn't manage more than about 15 tons of large coal in an HTV. 

When we say ""16 tonner" or "16 ton mineral", is that its loaded weight?? Just something Ive always wondered!

Its Tare weight would then be about 6 tons. Not much is it!

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If Bachmann announce this livery next week someone is going to be feeling very ill I would wager:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bachmann-EMU-Class-350-Desiro-Class-450-South-West-Trains-Conversion-4-Car-Unit-/350721838844

 

Love the answer to the cheeky question!! :jester:

is this:-

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/South-West-Trains-Desiro-class-450-model-00-gauge-/231100087781?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item35cea37de5

 

the same one do we think - if so someones gonna be a tad miffed.

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRI-ANG-GUARDS-BRAKE-VAN-GOODS-WAGON-TRUCK-OO-GAUGE-00-HO-LIKE-Hornby-/190978282075?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2c7731525b

 

An interesting mash up..... ;)

 

Later post 1959 MkIII couplings Tri-ang Railways R.16 Metal Brake Van Chassis with open axle boxes, with a post 1965 R.16A Body....a neverwazza...

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A highly-respected RMwebber has been itching to get hold of one of these for years, I think. Perhaps we should club together to make it happen?

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/00-EM-P4-gauge-Paxman-Fell-4-8-4DM-Diesel-locomotive-kit-/181272495918?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2a34aec72e

'Chard would love it

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The 12T Wagons were re-rated to 13T to "aid the war effort" during World War Two. (Did the wagons get re-rated in the First World War?)

No changes were made to the wagon. (Funnily enough, the Tri-ang R.10 (etc.) Open Wagon remained "12T"..."12T Open Goods Truck")

 

Was this rated tonnage the gross tonnage, including the wagon?

 

The load would be calculated by taking the "Tare" (Empty) weight from the weight of the loaded wagon, where wagon weighbridges were available (Coopercraft for OO Gauge!).

 

I suppose the tare weight of a Steel wagon could be lower than that for a wooden wagon?

 

Also, the steel underframe should be a bit stronger?

 

The 12 tons (or whatever) was the load weight so the total weight (GLW in modern parlance) was load + tare - around 20T for a wooden P.O. wagon and a bit more for the steel 16T wagons - I don't have the actual figures to hand, though the tare for a vacuum fitted 16T mineral is 8tons 11 cwt. (B550090),

 

AFAIK there was no uprating during WW1 - there were large numbers of older 8 and 10T wagons as well as the newer 12T ones

 

EDIT  'hand' should read 'have' (corrected).

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She must be hiding behind all the stuff on the dresser!  :jester:

 

These are not all that rare (of course) and the description seems a bit vague. Is she "stunning" or in need of "tender loving care"?

 

If I were to pay £450 for something, I would want something better than "economy delivery" (I think eBay would too).

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRI-ANG-GUARDS-BRAKE-VAN-GOODS-WAGON-TRUCK-OO-GAUGE-00-HO-LIKE-Hornby-/190978282075?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2c7731525b

 

An interesting mash up..... ;)

 

Later post 1959 MkIII couplings Tri-ang Railways R.16 Metal Brake Van Chassis with open axle boxes, with a post 1965 R.16A Body....a neverwazza...

 

And, from the same seller, what on earth is this?

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190986173223

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