Copenhagen Fields

[queensquare]

20 hours ago, CF MRC said:

The Raven NER 4-6-2 class has now run as a 4-6-2, albeit with the radial trailing wheels bouncing along for the ride. They will need a proper truck to control them.  The handmade bogie wheels were worth the effort. 

As ever, the phone picks up the noise of the mechanism rather well.  I have now sourced some 1/2” brass for the boiler; 3” of that should work wonders for adhesion.
 

Despite what some people say about them, I think that this engine will look rather elegant when complete. 
 

Tim

….it’s encouraging that yours do it as well Tim.

Run chassis and feel rather pleased that it seems reasonably quiet - film it on the phone and it sounds like a coffee grinder!!😊

 

Jerry

[65179]

1 hour ago, queensquare said:

….it’s encouraging that yours do it as well Tim.

Run chassis and feel rather pleased that it seems reasonably quiet - film it on the phone and it sounds like a coffee grinder!!😊

 

Jerry

 

Most of mine sound like a coffee grinder, then I film them!

[CF MRC]

Part of the problem with these early running videos is that the locos are running with almost no lubrication as I don’t want to contaminate surfaces for future painting / bonding.  My test track is also an effective sound box, as it has a hollow construction and a lid which is like a grand piano.  Fortunately, once on exhibition with CF, scarcely anything is heard. 
 

Tim

[CF MRC]

The last few days have seen the radial rear truck made on the NER 4-6-2 class. Looking at the works drawings, the virtual pivot point for this is just behind the middle axle, so this is where I located it, as the engine would not have a true radial-truck slide-way arrangement. 
 

The main components consist of the ash pan which acts as the bearing block for the back axle. The muff for the axle is 2.5mm diameter, and tapered at each end so that it can slide through the horn ways in the frames on an arc of movement.  The muff is full wheel back-to-back width to give it plenty of grip on the stub axles.  The front pivot is attached to the ash pan block using two, 0.6mm diameter, steel rods held in appropriate holes drilled just above the damper opening, with equivalent holes on the front pivot block. 

 

The two rods allowed the radial arm(s) to pass either side of the gear wheel and are relatively stiff. It also allowed the pivot point to have a fine adjustment for radial length and then being  soldered in place. 

 

The mounting for the pivot bolt is a piece of high density Tufnol made as a tight fit in the frames and then secured with 24hr epoxy resin. The insulating block is tapped 14BA and there is a bolt screwed in from the top (visible in this photo) that acts as a stop for the actual pivot bolt which approaches from the underside.

 

The end result is a radial action which maximises the movement of the wheels, but in a well controlled manner, giving a smooth transition through curves. 

The hole in the bottom of the ash pan is not to improve draft but to allow access to the lubrication point in the gear head.

Having GA drawings is very useful when working out how to make a loco and I find it fascinating working out where everything goes. 

Tim

 

 

Edited January 14, 2023 by CF MRC

[CF MRC]

The main mechanical components of the NER 4-6-2 class are now complete. The final tweak was to add a couple of re-curved 33swg phosphor bronze springs on the rear axle of the bogie.  The wires are held in place with solder, but are located in holes drilled in the frames. 

These springs have stabilised the front end by working not only as a downward force on the axle but also damping side play from acting on the sides of the central muff. They will also give excellent current collection.  Considering the great length of wheelbase of this engine it rides steadily through the reverse curves at slow speed without binding.  

 

Tim

Edited January 16, 2023 by CF MRC

[D-A-T]

I’m sure CF MRC is a vampire…

He always seems to post after midnight.

PS Excellent work, as always. The Finescale 2mm workers on here leave me in awe. 

[CF MRC]

9 hours ago, D-A-T said:

I’m sure CF MRC is a vampire…

He always seems to post after midnight.

These posts are a bit repetitive, but I find it useful to record construction (an article might appear sometime). I usually finish my domestic jobs and write up workshop progress before turning in - being a bit of a night owl, it helps to send me to sleep; maybe the reader as well…

 

Tim

Edited January 16, 2023 by CF MRC

[CF MRC]

This is what you call a boiler!

The boiler band positions were marked on the boiler using a gramophone needle held in the lathe (turning the chuck over by hand), moving to each position by dead reckoning (a digital readout helped). These witness marks make it much easier to position the lining transfers/boiler bands. 

The engine currently weighs in at 105g. When the firebox, smoke box saddle and cylinders are added it will probably get nearer to the weight of Mons Meg (120g). 
 

Tim

[CF MRC]

Some days you make a silly mistake which, by trying to fix your way out of it, wastes an inordinate amount of time. On the boiler for the long engine I milled away 1.5mm too much in the throat plate region of the firebox. I thought this could be remedied by soldering-in a packing piece. I did this but it was all looking a bit too scruffy, so I made a new boiler; which is what I should have done in the first place. 

 

The new boiler was shaped correctly this time and the separate firebox sides and top milled from a lump of brass to bolt to the rebate in the boiler.

The sides are 0.5mm wider than the boiler and have a just-perceptible curve to them.

The whole assembly was then silver soldered together. The poor fit at the foundation ring and footplate will be covered by forward side extensions from the cab.

It is a very deep firebox, but that visual effect will be masked by the lower side pieces that will be part of the cab assembly. 

She weighs 109g now. Smokebox saddle next. 
 

Tim

[CF MRC]

Does this prove that 2mm scale modellers are nuts?

 

Tim

[Caley Jim]

28 minutes ago, CF MRC said:

Does this prove that 2mm scale modellers are nuts?

Either that or we've got hex heads!

 

Jim (currently doing the madness of shading the c1mm high lettering on the waist and eaves panels of the brake thirds.)

[CF MRC]

The bit of hex brass bar was drilled out and then bored to be a good fit on the smoke box. 

The advantage of the hex bar is that it is easy to hold in a chuck and can be parted off to the required length. The front face was very carefully marked out for the two holes that would be the radiused corners of the smoke box saddle. I use a gramophone needle ground to a pyramidal-shaped tip. That way it is easy to ‘drift’ the centre mark to where it’s needed, rotating the tip to deepen it in the correct position. 

The marked up block was easy to set up in the vice - an advantage of using the hex stock. It’s a bit difficult to visually ‘spot’ a 2mm drill in precisely the right place, so the drilling position was checked using a 0.7mm drill. The brass plug was a precaution against any lateral distortion when drilling with the larger size. 

Once satisfied with the centering the holes were drilled at 2mm diameter. 

The sides of the holes were milled away. 

The side of the holes were used to guide a file as it cut down to the final position. It’s always useful having sharp files with safe edges. 

The excess hex bar made a good handle as the base was carefully reduced in depth to maintain the correct height of the boiler and smokebox.

The unwanted parts of the bar were removed using a diamond slitting disc and the flange smoothed into the up right part of the saddle. This was also rebated at the sides to take the scale frames that are above running plate level. 

She’s beginning to look like a Skittle Alley now.

Bit of a long post this one, but I thought some of my ways of working might be of interest. The next job will be to get it all bolted together. 
 

Tim

 

[richbrummitt]

9 hours ago, CF MRC said:

I thought some of my ways of working might be of interest. The next job will be to get it all bolted together. 

Definitely. Thank you for posting up. This one was of particular interest; I’ve been racking my brains on and off for a couple of years how to fashion the smoke box saddle for a 28xx. Using a much larger piece of hex bar makes sense because holding small awkward shapes is so challenging. It’s a lot of material for such a small component but in the grand scheme of things it’s such a small scale that it’s not a lot of material overall. 

[CF MRC]

Not much to show for today’s efforts, but the long engine is bolted up together at the front end. 

It will need a couple of bolts at the fire box end to hold the boiler really well, but it is pretty stable already. 

I expected to have clearance problems with the frames, but it all just clears and the rigidity of the components will prevent any unwanted contacts. Even so, the wheels needed clearance cutting into the boiler cladding (as per prototype).

Most importantly, it still works. 

 

Tim

[CF MRC]

This post might be a case of teaching grandma to suck eggs, but sometimes statements such as ‘fixing holes were drilled and tapped’ belies some of the challenges that these might present. Stabilising the firebox at the end of the running plate required two lugs. These were made by cutting two slots into the foundation ring of the firebox and making a wide brass bar (temporarily) across the bottom that was soft soldered in place.
 

The location of this on top of the running plate was marked with the inevitable gramophone needle. 

The hole position was marked simply using a black pen dot. These holes are not mission critical, so  great accuracy isn’t required. With TC drills there isn’t the need to centre mark or ‘pop’ the hole as their rigidity means that they self centre. The hole was drilled 0.7mm - tapping size for 14BA.

The boiler was then mounted on the running plate and the rear position held with a fillet of medium viscosity cyanoacrylate. 

The assembly was then turned over and a 0.7mm drill aligned in the original hole and then taken right through the lug. The glue stopped anything from moving whilst drilling. In theory it could all be done in one go, but the chances of something moving are increased when the drill transits from the first piece of brass to the second. 

Whilst in this position, the underside of the running plate was countersunk with a 1.7mm diameter drill to allow for the screw head. 

Separating the pieces simply requires a well aimed scalpel blade to break the joint. The hole in the running plate was opened up to 1mm with a broach (clearance size for the screw) whilst the lugs were tapped 14BA.

Once assembled, the excess screw threads were cut off with Xuron side cutters and then unscrewed, that way the opening of the thread is preserved by being cleaned up with the tapped hole (similar to using a nut to do the same thing).

Last exercise was to cut off the bar in the middle.

I was in two minds whether these lugs were really needed as the boiler could easily have been centred using the cab front. However, it does now give a good solid reference point against which to build the cab. The lugs will be covered over by a front extension of the cab. 

That is a very long-winded description of drilling two holes, which may seem excessive, but the technique does maintain accurate positions for components. I don’t think I have seen such things actually described anywhere - probably because it’s a bit like watching paint dry…

 

Tim

 

Edited January 22, 2023 by CF MRC

[Nick Mitchell]

46 minutes ago, CF MRC said:

I don’t think I have seen such things actually described anywhere - probably because it’s a bit like watching paint dry…

Au contraire. Fascinating and very much appreciated!

[CF MRC]

Attention has now turned to the cylinders.  These will be soft soldered to two pads which are, in turn bolted through the frames. The fixing studs are 16BA silver soldered in the brass block. The reasons for the square cut outs in the PCB spacer are now apparent, as they give room for the nuts.  The cylinders will have polished steel end caps, as per the prototype, and it’s fortunate that the rear one is very simple, which will make machining the slide bars rather easier.

The cylinders are bored 1.5mm to take the front and back fittings. It’s also useful for checking alignment using a sighting rod. The cylinders are currently 0.5mm too wide on each side, but there should be ample clearance to bring them in to scale width. 

The next job will be to file off the top of the cylinders to allow for their inclination, then solder them on to the pads. 
 

Tim

[CF MRC]

Slight change of tack, but Copenhagen Fields will feature in the next episode of ‘Hornby a Model World’ on the Yesterday Channel (Freeview 27) on Monday 30/1/23 at 2000.

 

You will find out how this happy little scene was made:

As well as our trip with CF to the 2mm Association Derby exhibition in June ‘22.

 

Tim

[Sithlord75]

7 hours ago, CF MRC said:

Slight change of tack, but Copenhagen Fields will feature in the next episode of ‘Hornby a Model World’ on the Yesterday Channel (Freeview 27) on Monday 30/1/23 at 2000.

 

You will find out how this happy little scene was made:

As well as our trip with CF to the 2mm Association Derby exhibition in June ‘22.
 

Tim

Now to try and find out how to watch it Down Here.

 

[2mm Dabbler]

6 hours ago, Sithlord75 said:

Now to try and find out how to watch it Down Here.

 

One, possibly the easiest, is to use a VPN. There are many available and most offer a 30 day free trial period or money back option. I've not used one yet but the temptation is certainly there for CF.

 

Michael

[CF MRC]

The cylinders have now been fixed to the frames on the NER 4-6-2 class. I decided against trimming the top of the cylinder but cut out the underside of the thick running plate instead. This gave a ‘cradle’ to support the cylinder whilst it was being soldered to the mounting pad. 

The two components were held in place by hand against the frames, after tinning both pieces, but wearing two nitrile gloves.  These don’t give that much heat insulation, but better than nothing.  The alternative, which I tried on the second side was to use a piece of emery cloth to grip the cylinder and push it against the frames. The gloves worked better and the cylinder was just tacked into place with an exceedingly hot iron.

The assembly was then removed, clamped up with some locking tweezers and properly sweated together. 

An air gap was cut around the cylinders using a fine bur and files to insulate from the bodywork (actually only needed on one side - the other is live). The cylinder had a small rebate cut into it so that it did not touch the valence: this may be coated in epoxy resin later on.  

The positioning of the cylinders is very critical, the first one was OK, the second more tricky. From the front they look OK.

From the side the angulation is quiet subtle: the sighting rod helps to check it out. 

Next bits to make will be the cylinder covers and slide bars. The rear cover is actually quite deep and incorporates the stuffing box, which will make constructing a bit easier. 
 

I really need to get a high resolution copy of the works photo of 2400; it has some good details in it. 

Tim

 

 

Edited January 28, 2023 by CF MRC

[CF MRC]

I do like making the ‘engine’ bits on steam locos. The slide bars are now 50% complete on the NER 4-6-2 class. I always make these types of slide bar as part of the cylinder back cover.  The steel rod was drilled 1.9mm and then finished to 2mm diameter with a flat end mill. This gives the distance between the slide bars. 

This was then turned down to 3mm diameter: the distance over the slide bars and then the  actual cylinder diameter. This was reversed in the collet and turned down to 1.5mm - the bore of the cylinder. Finally, a 0.5mm hole was bored for the piston rod. 

The next job was to cut down the sides of the ‘tube’ using a diamond disc to reveal two rather rough slide bars.

After some careful filing, using the piston rod to make sure everything is in-line and central, the slide bars are complete on one side - just got to do the other now. 

The motion support bracket will help to protect the vulnerable ends. 
 

Tim

Edited January 29, 2023 by CF MRC

[That Model Railway Guy]

Can't believe I've never stumbled across this thread before now - great stuff! 

 

I previously made a little video of Copenhagen Fields that was filmed last year at Ally Pally which I hope it's ok to post here. (If not just let me know and I'll remove)

 

 

[nick_bastable]

On 26/01/2023 at 20:01, Sithlord75 said:

Now to try and find out how to watch it Down Here.

 

excellent advert for 2mm although Mr Knight may not be the best advocate  for 2mm 🤣

[CF MRC]

The motion support brackets for the Raven Pacifics was quite a chunky affair. 

These were made from some 1mm thick steel - two pieces sweated together with soft solder. A number 6 cut Valorbe file with a safe edge was used to produce the rebates on the front edge of the bracket, which support the slide bar ends. Finger nails make good filing guides. All the soft solder must be removed before trying to silver solder. 

A simple jig consisting of a hole in a lump of brass acted as an analogue for the cylinder, resting the slide bars on the bracket rebate. 

This was then transferred to the charcoal block, a small amount of silver solder paste added and the joint heated with a fine flame. 

The bits that might stay bright were cleaned up, but the rest of the bracket was left fire stained and black - saves painting. 

The whole front end is beginning to get a bit more busy.  I might thin the bars a little, when I have a fresh pair of eyes: taking photos is very useful for showing up dodgy bits. 

 With a fresh pair of eyes and a bit of refinement of the slide bars. 

Tim

 

 

 

Edited January 31, 2023 by CF MRC