Copenhagen Fields

[2mmKiwi]

Hi Tim,

 

This photo came up on a Facebook feed, I'm sure you have it or have seen it. Based on my exposure to Copenhagen fields I thought I recognised the Potato Market area on the extreme left.

Is that correct?

 

SteveM

NZ

[Chris Higgs]

8 hours ago, 2mmKiwi said:

Hi Tim,

 

This photo came up on a Facebook feed, I'm sure you have it or have seen it. Based on my exposure to Copenhagen fields I thought I recognised the Potato Market area on the extreme left.

Is that correct?

 

SteveM

NZ

 

Well, Copenhagen Fields has made a promising start, but plenty still to build it seems. Lucky we have Easitrac now.

 

Chris

[2mmKiwi]

Its an astonishing display of railway infrastructure - just amazing how much is happening in this photo. What we wouldn't give to go back and look over the wall or gaze down from the bridge.

Its a great credit to the CF team that a person can identify the real items in photos from their exposure to the model.

 

Steve

[east barnet andy]

Morning all ;  just wondering . . . . anything occurring in The Fields at the mo ? it's been a bit quiet lately . v. . 

 

speak soon

 

EB Andy. 

[CF MRC]

The reason for the quiet time on CF, post Thornbury is that the Showman’s Road Loco ‘Frederick’ has had new tubes fitted, new plugs and a major front end overhaul with gold leaf lining re-done. 

 

This is all ready for a trip to Cornwall for the Boconnoc Rally (28-30th July). Anyone who wants to come along is welcome - Frederick cooks a mean bacon roll on the shovel and an excellent cup of tea.
 

I will be taking the 2mm workbench with me, but haven’t decided what to do yet. I will have two granddaughters with me as well, so don’t expect too much!

 

Tim

 

Edited July 18, 2023 by CF MRC

[east barnet andy]

from one extreme to the other , eh Tim ?  

so

have you thought of building a full scale engine? traction or otherwise ? 

 

enjoy the Summer 

 

EB Andy

 

[CF MRC]

After a very pleasant few days tutoring at the Missenden Abbey Modellers summer retreat, the tender of the skittle alley has made some progress. 
 

The front arrangements are quite different to what I’m used to - a bit like a BR standard in total, but that will become more apparent a little later. 

The etchings produce some of the components, but it needs a bit extra to complete the job, in fact a bent up bit of Chiltern Green rail. 

The sub assembly was located at the front, with a slightly increased opening for the drive shaft and then sweated into position. 

There would definitely be a step on the LHS to allow the fireman to reach his stowed fire irons so that was made with a scrap of 10 thou nickel silver. It was made to fit across the opening, being wedged in and soldered, but with a break line filed into the strip. 

This was then bent up and fractured leaving the step behind. The rivets on the etch could have been embossed from behind, but it was simpler to leave them as dimples rather than pimples. The beholder will still interpret them as rivets…

The loco and tender now look much more in proportion, especially with the excellent correct pattern coal guards etched in N/S by Bob Jones. The two-component lifting lugs on the top of the tender were also fitted: they are quite insanely small!

Tim

 

[CF MRC]

The Skittle Alley now has the beginning of an elegant front end with the frames, running plate, piano front and smokebox step made. The frames and piano front are removable, to aid painting and lining in the quite complex NER livery. 

The prototype is very simple design, but has a tricky front step. 

The piano front was milled from the same piece of brass used for the smokebox saddle. 

The curved front was carved in using pink stones and a large abrasive rubber polishing point.

It was then cut off and rebated on the underside to fit the running plate. 

Meanwhile, the tricky little front step has a 6” diameter curved support and so this was made by drilling a 4mm-deep x 1mm diameter hole in some brass. 

This was cut out, squared up and made to fit a recess cut into the piano front. 

The two components were silver soldered together, taking care to heat up initially the large component from behind (silver solder saves problems with subsequent heating).

 

The frames were cut out from nickel silver, sweated together and then separated: there were no lifting holes in these engines when first built. The front running plate is a separate piece of steel. Why steel? It chemically black very well. 

The assembly for holding everything in the correct place, whilst soft soldering the frames to the piano front, was quite tricky. The frames were pushed against the rebate previously formed in the smokebox saddle by means of a toolmakers clamp. The small front end clamp is an orthodontic device for expanding growing palates. Black marker pen anti-flux prevented bits being soldered where they shouldn’t, as can be seen. The sides to be joined were tinned and also the top of the piano box, so that the soldering iron tip had some solder to help transfer heat - a ‘dry’ iron is quite inefficient. With plenty of liquid flux and the iron cranked up to 450 deg C, the joint was soon made!

Painting and lining the frames will be a good deal easier with them dismountable.

The separate running plate will eventually be soft soldered on to the brass base; previous use of silver soldering makes this all together more straightforward. The running plate is awaiting holes for the lamp irons. 

Quite a picture-heavy long post this one, but it starts to make the engine look a bit more elegant. 

Tim

 

 

Edited August 21, 2023 by CF MRC

[65179]

That's an interesting approach to the front step Tim.  They're indeed tricky things on all the NER locos with them.

 

Here's the very similar step on the surviving Q7:

 

 

Regards,

 

Simon

Edited August 21, 2023 by 65179

[CF MRC]

Thanks for the photos, Simon. This is the drawing for the 4-6-2 class. 

Maybe we need some etched chequer plate, but then maybe not…

 

Tim

[65179]

Interesting that it's shown as chequerplate from new. I'm also intrigued by the lack of lifting holes in the frame extensions for all the bigger NER locos as built.

 

The latter, and the need to add them for my BR condition B16, was the first thing I noted on my set of instructions. Guess what I realised I'd forgotten when giving the completed model the once over ...

 

Simon

[D-A-T]

Apologies if this has been posted before but it’s new to me. Given the screen format and state of the layout  I’m guessing it’s a few years old.

https://youtu.be/F_IB5m3LhEo?si=_rOXt2eV4Do_1w_u

Sorry but I don’t seem to be able to embed it. 

Edited August 30, 2023 by D-A-T
Typo

[CF MRC]

Thanks for posting that, I remember it being filmed. At the end I said it was 20 years from starting so that makes it 2004ish. That would also tally with the incomplete trackwork in the Belle Isle trough. All a bit younger then too!

 

Tim

Edited August 30, 2023 by CF MRC

[CF MRC]

Not much to show with this post, but the front running plate has now been soldered to the brass core. As before, I used chemical blacking to ensure that the frames and piano front do not become irretrievably fixed in place. The front body fixing screw was also blacked and screwed into place to prevent the thread from filling with solder. The individual components were tinned with solder, the steel fluxed using a special steel flux which I sourced from Germany. 

 

The components were held in place using ceramic blocks and miniature towel clips whilst the ERSA soldering station was cranked up to 450 deg C and applied to the steel plate with plenty of flux.

 

The flux is quite acidic and so after soldering the whole assembly was boiled in a saucepan of water for five minutes (don’t do this if you have white metal or low melting point solder!).

 

Next job will be the second running plate and reversing mechanism. 
 

Tim

 

 

 

 

[CF MRC]

Over the last couple of days I’ve been making some of the between-the-frames parts for the Raven 4-6-2 class. These engines were fitted with steam reverse when new and a light-coloured plate was visible on the drivers’ (RH) side: this was the cover for a travel-limiting lever. On both sides, the balance weight on the weigh shaft was visible just in front of the splashers in full forward gear. All of this work will scarcely be visible, but might catch the eye when painted. 

It took a while to work out the mechanism at the top end, but zooming in on the GA helped:

Blue balance weight

Red lifting arm

Green limiter arm

Yellow backing plate. 

Blue balance weight

Red lifting arms and weigh shaft. 
The lifting arms and balance weights were made as one piece, silver soldered together and then separated. 

The trunnions that support the weigh shaft were reamed out 16BA nuts soft soldered to the inside of the frames. A hole was drilled on one side (where the cover plate is fixed) and that was used to align the nut on the other side, which was stabilised with a drill shank whilst soldering. These are much better than cocktail sticks as they don’t burn, fit precisely and will not take soft solder. 

The cover plate was soldered on being made from a scrap of NS etch, but with a handle to hold it in place whilst soldering, it was also rebated on the back edge to aid location. The sacrificial handle was then twisted / cut off.

The lifting arm for the inside cylinder valve gear was made from NS CG rail and notched so that it could be clipped into place. 

Soldering it onto the shaft was aided by burying the lift link into a charcoal block to hold it whilst the tinned components were quickly heated with a hot iron and plenty of flux. The long  handle was subsequently removed by twisting it off. 
The whole assembly really doesn’t show up that much, but will when painted - probably vermillion for the shaft and weights.
The question, is, what was the colour of the limiter backing plate?

I suspect at least vermillion. What colour were NER engines between the frames? Answers on a postcard…

 

Tim

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[Nick Mitchell]

4 hours ago, CF MRC said:

Over the last couple of days I’ve been making some of the between-the-frames parts for the Raven 4-6-2 class. These engines were fitted with steam reverse when new and a light-coloured plate was visible on the drivers’ (RH) side: this was the cover for a travel-limiting lever. On both sides, the balance weight on the weigh shaft was visible just in front of the splashers in full forward gear. All of this work will scarcely be visible, but might catch the eye when painted. 

 

The balance weights moving up and down as the driver operates the steam reverser will definitely catch the eye...

[CF MRC]

I have spent a very few hours on the easy conversion of the Sonic Models J50 to FS. This photo shows the end result which, quite frankly, is not greatly different to the original.

The wheel profile is very fine, as is often the way with modern N gauge.  However the flanges, whilst not deep are too thick for FS standards. The individual wheels were mounted in a step collet and the backs of the flanges thinned down. The TC drill stub in the tailstock helped to make sure the wheel didn’t fly out by steadying it. 

The reduction in flange thickness can be seen here. The wheels are interesting in that they consist of a brass casting for the rim and a few of the back spokes of the wheel and stub axle which is 3mm diameter and acts as the bearing surface running in phosphor bronze bearings. The front spokes of the wheel are plastic and bored 1.1mm for a plain steel axle. 

The wheels were then mounted in a 3mm collet and a little bit removed from the front face to narrow the tread (I didn’t take a picture of this procedure). The wheels were then chemically blackened. 
 

The wheels + 10-20 thou black styrene washer and then bearings were re-mounted on the axles at the wider FS back to back measurement and quartered by eye. The washers were to reduce some of the increased side play with an increased thickness needed on the back wheels where the steps and plumbing become rather close. Even so, these benefit from a bit of paring away with a sharp scalpel blade. 

The coupling rods are simply held in place with tight fitting pins and are commendably thin. A few strokes with a file improved them further by removing the etch cusp and

thinning them down a little. 

The end result is a very easily converted loco. All of the operations I have done could be undertaken with a simple lathe - even a mounted drill and sharp files - as there is no interference with wheel concentricity. The wheels are slightly chunkier than the fine scale standard but more than acceptable on a large layout like Copenhagen Fields. I am looking forward to more superb  engines from this source!

 

Tim
 

Edited October 5, 2023 by CF MRC

[Nick Mitchell]

This looks very good, Tim.

If the chunkiness was an issue, given that the functional part of the wheel is brass, I'm wondering if it would be possible to thin the front of the tyres and 3D print a replacement insert with shallower spoke detail and balance weights?

[CF MRC]

It could well be done that way, Nick, but I’m not sure how the spoke moulding is keyed into (or not) the metal rim. One could then use scale coupling rods and pins. The plastic that Sonic use is very ‘grippy’ -if you know what I mean- and quite tough. 
 

Tim

[CF MRC]

I have been working on an old timer today - the GNR J13 that Mark Fielder made from an old Beaver N gauge kit. It trundled around Copenhagen Fields for hundreds of miles, but ‘failed to proceed’ a few shows ago. The chassis is a heavily worn Graham Farish 57XX block, fitted with the late Neil Ballantine’s plastic moulded fine-scale replacements and a Maxon motor with 1:4 gear box, driving the original worm set. However, it is the coupling rods that have worn the most. 

The holes had worn to be at least 50% bigger than they should be. They were  replaced by a new set made from 2mm Scale Association etches.

What is quite remarkable is that the new rods fitted without any adjustment. The engine now trundles up and down the test track with a slight ambling gait, but then it always has.

It will be good to have a work horse back in the traces for our next show at the NEC in November. Attention is now turned to making the York Road  station tube platform and hopefully another loop on the down goods line. 
 

Tim

 

[CF MRC]

As promised, construction has begun on the York Road tube platforms baseboard. This photo shows the board just resting in front of the tube station: in its final form it will be  below and centred on the lift shafts. 

The prototype track plan (courtesy LT Museum) was printed to size and stuck to some 4mm ply. This was then tried for position on the main layout and fixing hole positions determined.

The ply top was then framed with 12x21mm pine strip wood screwed & glued in place. An oak block was incorporated at the end where the next board joins on: decent wood is essential for holding baseboard joiners in a repeatable position. 

This was left overnight for the glue to set and then a lower skin of 4mm ply screwed and glued onto the pine wood frame. This I beam and stressed skin design makes the whole construction immensely rigid and pretty lightweight. 

The track base will be 46mm below the underside of the layout with a spacing rib 75mm deep fixed to the back edge. Quite interesting  really that this is the penultimate baseboard to be built for CF. 
 

The planning of the station platform itself is well advanced with laser cut ribs and completely accurate tile artwork already for fitting. 
 

Tim

Edited October 22, 2023 by CF MRC

[Suddaby]

Hi Tim,

Will it connect to the other bit of underground on the layout, or will it be static?

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

[CF MRC]

It will be a separate layout Kevin, as the logistics of joining them up is not trivial. It will initially just have the platform modelled with a train coming into the station and then returning north. There is an incident causing a blockage at KX! The next stage will have the tunnels modelled and crossover to the north of the station. We have all the drawings for this from LT.  I have a cunning plan for making the tubes…
 

Tim

[VRBroadgauge]

1 hour ago, CF MRC said:

 I have a cunning plan for making the tubes…

Do tell... Cutaways so that you get to model the inside of the tunnels?

[St Enodoc]

3 hours ago, CF MRC said:

The track base will be 46mm below the underside of the layout

I probably don't need to ask but I will anyway - is that the scale depth below ground?