Bath Queen Square

[drduncan]

18 minutes ago, queensquare said:

It was bridge No 1 on the S&D who were never never that flush!

Then red lead seems the best bet and the simplest explanation for the red bridge name - painting it a different colour would have been too expensive! 
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[Steve Smith]

At least one of the iron railway bridges survives on the S&D - I'm thinking of the one heading west out of Radstock.  it's possible that some out of the way part of that might have evidence of prior colours.   As an example of this, the panels on our Victorian kitchen door (1879) retain every coat of paint that was ever applied (about ten).  The oak grain scumbling only occurred about half way through the sequence, and there's a remarkably poisonous green after that.  Up in the boxing under the bargeboards and eaves, original paint survives too - the first layers being remarkably close to Humbrol 'leather'.  It was a very different colour world back then, and the Forth Bridge being 'red' is a good lead.  

 

The corrugated iron ground frame hut at Verwood could have been green (within station limits), grey (but off the end of the platform) or black (if the bitumen crew had got there first).  Colour photos show that it was either a faded grey-green or an algaed green-grey - so not that helpful!

[bécasse]

1 hour ago, Steve Smith said:

The corrugated iron ground frame hut at Verwood could have been green (within station limits), grey (but off the end of the platform) or black (if the bitumen crew had got there first).  Colour photos show that it was either a faded grey-green or an algaed green-grey - so not that helpful!

Not at all helpful, in fact. I could show you examples of bituminised corrugated iron in my village which have weathered down to a colour for which that would be a good description - I can be certain that they were originally bituminised because there are odd places where the surface was protected from weathering and the bituminisation is obvious.

[RustyVanDoor]

It was grey when I was a lad, I don’t recall it being called Red Bridge, I’ll ask a friend.

[CF MRC]

We have a red and cream MR bridge in St Albans.  Well it’s actually bits of cream, bits of red and lots of rust. 
 

Tim

[queensquare]

2 hours ago, RustyVanDoor said:

It was grey when I was a lad, I don’t recall it being called Red Bridge, I’ll ask a friend.

I’ve seen several references to it being called the red bridge, including on the twin tunnels website.

 

Jerry

[Steve Smith]

2 hours ago, bécasse said:

Not at all helpful, in fact. I could show you examples of bituminised corrugated iron in my village which have weathered down to a colour for which that would be a good description - I can be certain that they were originally bituminised because there are odd places where the surface was protected from weathering and the bituminisation is obvious.

 

Going hopelessly off-topic the corrugated lamp hut (also on the Down side) at Verwood) had been tarred at some point, and this was obviously so.  In fact the faded green paint on the door of the lamp hut was close to the colour of the GF hut in photos, so I opted for a faded green as best guess.

 

On the accuracy (or otherwise) of folk memory;  one of the other S&Ds that served Wimborne crossed Leigh Road on a typical LSWR style iron girder bridge that the locals all referred to as 'Leigh Arch'.  There is absolutely no evidence or reason to think that this bridge was ever an 'arch' in the masonry sense, and I think that in this case there is an accurate folk memory of the original 1847 timber bridge that would have required diagonal bracing underneath each side to support the load - similar to the bracing shown on drawings of the original timber viaduct over the River Stour.  Such structures could be considered to be a timber arch since the bracing members are in compression, and with the top corners cut off by these braces the opening for road traffic would look like an 'arch' to a layman too.

 

[lambiedg]

23 hours ago, St Enodoc said:

The old authentic/realistic debate again!

My preferred word is plausible.

When concrete evidence is not available.

[queensquare]

With my diversion to motive power on the NSLR almost concluded I’m returning to Bath but it’s a bit chilly out so I will probably spend my free Sunday afternoon contemplating the next project to be tackled in front of the burner. I fancy doing another structure - but which one. Time to get the  albums out I think!

 

Jerry

 

[queensquare]

Well the tree went up this afternoon so it must be Christmas! 
I’ve plumped for a couple of projects to finish over the holidays. Structure wise it seemed sensible to continue working up the shed area so have opted for the wooden S&D coal stage replacing the mock up that’s been around a while. It’s a fairly simple building so perfect for some plastic bashing of an evening.

Loco wise, I’d like to finish off the pair of 483s I started months ago which ground to a halt as work got in the way. They only need detailing and final assembly. Tom E is printing some more smoke box doors for me so I’m hoping to get these and the coal stage finished by the time I take the shed out for its penultimate show at Southampton at the end of January.

Strictly speaking I’m not starting anything new so we shall see!!

 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2022 by queensquare

[queensquare]

Still freezing outside but work continues in the evenings. I’ve made a start on detailing the pair of Midland 483s. I’ve added the top wash out plugs, reversing lever and a few other bits and bobs and filled (with solder) the unwanted lower washout plugs. Handrails and fabricating the ejector on the r/h one  next.

 

Jerry

 

 

 

[Compound2632]

20 minutes ago, queensquare said:

 

The real reason Deeley resigned is now revealed - the Board rejected his gold-plated livery proposal. 

[queensquare]

5 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

 

The real reason Deeley resigned is now revealed - the Board rejected his gold-plated livery proposal. 

Hi Stephen, these two will be red. I’m ashamed to say that I have two other red locos waiting to be painted- an 800 2-4-0 and a Johnson 0-4-4T - and they’ve been in Deeley gold plated livery for at least three years!

… as soon as the weather becomes a bit more clement! 
 

Jerry

[Compound2632]

25 minutes ago, queensquare said:

Hi Stephen, these two will be red. I’m ashamed to say that I have two other red locos waiting to be painted- an 800 2-4-0 and a Johnson 0-4-4T - and they’ve been in Deeley gold plated livery for at least three years!

 

It was really just the way the numbers had been written on the tenders that triggered my whimsey! No pressure,,,

Edited December 17, 2022 by Compound2632

[queensquare]

1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

 

It was really just the way the numbers had been written on the tenders that triggered my whimsey! No pressure,,,

I have examples of 1F, 2F, 3F, 4F and 7F - all black and several blue engines but shamefully I’ve not painted any of the red ones so I’m determined that when I take the shed to Southampton at the end of January for what is likely to be it’s penultimate outing before I build it into the rest of the layout, I will have some red engines!

 

Jerry

 

[richbrummitt]

9 hours ago, queensquare said:

 

 

No one has seized the business opportunity and does transfers for NSLR numbers yet? 

[Sithlord75]

3 hours ago, richbrummitt said:

No one has seized the business opportunity and does transfers for NSLR numbers yet? 

Now there’s an idea……

 

What colour do you think they’d be?

[queensquare]

9 hours ago, Sithlord75 said:

Now there’s an idea……

 

What colour do you think they’d be?

Have to honest, I don’t know. The only two locos currently  in company livery are Kimberley and Holly, apple green with red backed name and number plates. The Terrier, Stephanie, is black. Nancy is the first tender loco to enter service with the NSLR and will have the initials on the tender. Not sure what they should be. I would favour a cream or yellow I think. Shaded, unshaded, serif, san-serif ?? I shall see what I have in my transfer stash.

 

This should be over in the Tucking Mill thread really but no matter, I shall have to give it some thought in the not too distant …!

 

Jerry

Edited December 18, 2022 by queensquare

[queensquare]

4 hours ago, richbrummitt said:

No one has seized the business opportunity and does transfers for NSLR numbers yet? 

As my Mum used to say, you won’t be retiring to the Bahamas on that!!

 

 Jerry 

[queensquare]

Well it’s that time of year!!

 

Jerry

 

[A Murphy]

You too!

 

Best wishes, seasons greetings

 

Alastair M

[queensquare]

After several days of over eating I managed to get an evenings plastic whittling in this evening. The result was the basic carcass for the S&D coal stage, including as much of the guesstimated and simplified interior framing as is likely to be visible from the limited sight lines available.
The rough, card place holder is behind its replacement on the bench.

 

Jerry

 

 

[CF MRC]

Nah. A few more years left in that placeholder yet…

 

Tim

[queensquare]

1 hour ago, CF MRC said:

Nah. A few more years left in that placeholder yet…

 

Tim

To be fair there are several other place holders that almost certainly have a few more years in them yet! 😊

 

Jerry

[queensquare]

Roof, barge boards and fascia this evening. The roof itself is again  Slaters embossed plastic, rubbed down to flatten out, and reduce, the texture.
Like locos, getting the basic carcass done is only the beginning, it’s all the widgets that eat time - gutters, down pipes and at least a couple of lamps. The external platform  needs a handrail and then there’s those pivoted rails with hooks in the end that allowed the coal tubs to be tipped into the waiting tenders below as well as the tubs themselves - pictures suggest at least a dozen or so!

The black line on the open side marks the level of the upper, Midland yard. The track that crosses the recently completed turntable serves this side. The upper prototype picture shows a Jinty on the coal road and was taken in the late thirties, shortly after the 42’ table had been replaced.

 

Jerry