hayfield Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 To do a screen shot, use the print screen button, somewhere to the right of the main keyboard, then open PAINT then use the paste. Then save as *.png. Thanks for that, but I do not seem to have this function,can only save by pasting and cannot alter to a png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 Hi Hayfield, I am looking forward to seeing progress on your Ludgate Hill project. Here is a link to webpages which include two versions of the track layout at the station (forgive me if you already have seen this): http://www.crjennings.com/Railway%20Structures%20London/Ludgate%20Hill/Ludgate%20Hill%20Index.html All the best, Colin Colin its a later version of the station with a slightly simplified rack plan, though challenging to build with the interconnected diamonds and scissors, plus a 3 way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 You can make a screenshot image direct from Templot. Just use Output/Make a Trackpad Screenshot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 Great work as always John. Cheers Paul Thanks for the vote of confidence, the jury is out with both bits of work yet. AS I said the C&L with the Exactoscale parts I believe has the upper hand still. I am a great fan of the thicker Exactoscale plastic sleepers, lets face it once the chairs are stuck to the timbers, but after seeinf Mikkel's latest offerings with ply timbers and sleepers as far as looks go far superiour Have found something else Templot does My latest attempt within Templot, as I said this morning the 3 way is still to be finished both rails and timbering and the timbers are in an embryonic stage and in the end will be altered finally on the building board 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) This is what I was sent in a Templot box file, I also had a hard copy with the track superimposed on the plan Simply I had to build up the plan by adding the diamonds and alter the turnouts to match the various crossing angles, hopefully it is working Edited June 20, 2016 by hayfield 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted June 20, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 20, 2016 Thanks for that, but I do not seem to have this function,can only save by pasting and cannot alter to a png Once pasted into PAINT there should be a save as option, quite where depends on which version of windows you are using they all seem to be different, but all are in the file menu, usually there is a SAVE and a SAVE AS option then there are sub options from there. I can't take screen shots at the moment as I am currently using my tab. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) Surprising what you find when you look, all done within Templot and is allowing me to show a couple of steps altering an idea into a working drawing This is what was sent to me, basically the flow of the trackwork required This is the crossings in the raw, not quite lined up and rails and check rails overlapping each other Whilst still work in progress you can see I have superimposed crossings and started to tidy up the timbers and sleepers. Each time I do a certain amount of work and happy with it I save as an additional copy, simply because if I go off on a tangent which goes wrong I can just go back one or two stages. With this plan I am on the 7th save, each being steps of the same design. Hope this is of interest The second track from the bottom on the fight (into the stand alone diamond crossing) looks to have a very tight radius curve, thankfully its an optical illusion, as in full size whilst much tighter than other radii within the plan it looks fine and is just under 60" in radius. As I said in full size its fine And good luck to Martin as he seems to have his hands full with Templot club Edited June 20, 2016 by hayfield 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) Having seen Mikkels latest diorama it has got me thinking about something I can do whilst being without a railway room Now I have found something new to explain my ramblings I thought I might explain my thoughts for a new layout, I have many locos which are mostly kit built or kits, the majority are GWR and SR. Having had several holidays in Cornwall Bodmin General has often come to mind and if modelled as a preservation line I could use both GWR and SR in any of their livery's. Now at the moment a layout is out of the question, but when I get my modelling room this could be a nice small layout for the room I do a couple of track building demonstrations a year at shows and am looking for something I can both work on and show, so I could built some form of complex as a diorama which could if needed at a later date be extended into a layout This is a quick doodle and nothing like finished sizes, the area I thought of is the engine shed. At Bodmin there is a double road shed now and has a turnout with two catch (or are they trap) points with it, this looks good but a double slip would be better for a demonstration piece and give a bit more operational interest So the area to be modelled is initially the slip and turnout, later the engine shed can be incorporated. After seeing Mikkel's latest mini layout whilst plastic timbers are my favoured medium as I have a large number of both C&L and Exactoscale 2 bolt chairs, stained sleepers with individual chairs would look the best. The plan is in 00SF (4SF) but then why not go nearly the whole hod and build it in EM gauge. The plan has to be altered anyway as the gap between the shed and running line is too narrow and as I said the layout plan is just first thoughts. As for locos all run/will run on Romfords so that's not an issue, coaches etc can either have their wheels widened or replaced. At worst I have a test plank in EM at best a nice little home layout. If I am invited to demonstrate at a show you visit then you may see it slowly come to fruition Edit Too late to night for new screen shots without labels, will edit tomorrow Done Edited June 20, 2016 by hayfield 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 Here is a link to Mikkel's blog which made me reassess the possibilities of Bodmin as a project http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/75/entry-17944-rising-from-slumber/ Happy if Mikkel wishes to upload a couple of shots, as whilst detailed turnouts look good in the raw, however in the hands of skilled and artistic modellers, clervely producing something which is near impossible to produce with ready to run track Here are a few photo's where again someone has spent time laying their track and adding a very accomplished and skillful artistic presentation. The clever weathering of the stock just blends into the scenery, stunning. Wish I was artistic These are from a chap called Oli 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 Could not resist uploading this photo Initially (without reading the email) I thought why is someone sending me a photo of an industrial loco ?, its Oli's layout. He's also very good with photo shop 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Going back a few posts, I thought about modelling Ludgate Hill in 2mm scale at one time and may yet pluck up the courage to have a go. One observation on your trackplan (not a criticism) - the crossings at CR441 and CR494 seem much closer together in photos of the early 1950s. This one dates from 1953. © Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence. To me, this was going to be the big challenge. An article in the Scalefour News 178 called 'Shortening My Crossing' described something similar, where 3 tracks cross at more or less the same place. I guess it was a throwback to the earlier, more complicated track of the SE&CR layout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted June 22, 2016 Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 Echo Thanks for the post and especially the photo, as its an area I am not familiar with. Thank you for your comments, any constructive comments are very welcome My contact obtained a plan which he overlaid a track plan within Templot, I guess its some form of non railway plan as I have had to alter the positions of the crossings slightly and I guess in the end it will be a reasonable representation of the site rather than an exact replica. But sometimes the smaller screen shot does give a different perspective/view than the same thing in full size It might be interesting to Google Earth a photo of the site to see how accurate the plan is, but there are some size constraints with the plan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 The area has changed out of all recognition, so Google Earth won't be much help I am afraid. The best scale plans are probably those in 'The Engineer' for the SECR rebuilding. I am not aware of anything for the BR era, other than OS maps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted June 22, 2016 Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 Back to the Masokits turnout Started the wing/closer rail, pre bent and cut, then chairs soldered to it Now fitted in place, this is where the DD Wheelwrights gauge comes into its own, before I do anymore I need to finish off soldering the rest of the chairs that need soldering, the left hand ones will be soldered after fitting the switch rail. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted June 22, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2016 The area has changed out of all recognition, so Google Earth won't be much help I am afraid. The best scale plans are probably those in 'The Engineer' for the SECR rebuilding. I am not aware of anything for the BR era, other than OS maps. Where are you looking for? For the London area, excellent old 1:1056 maps are available on the NLS site, ideal for use in Templot, see: http://maps.nls.uk/view/101201592#zoom=4&lat=6806&lon=3649&layers=BT Martin. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 (edited) Thanks for that Martin, Unfortunately the OS maps are not much help though as the track layout changed considerably after the last large scale map was issued. I am OK for info - it was Hayfield who was wondering what else was available. Edited June 22, 2016 by Echo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Looking back through my notes I found this scaled version of that Engineer plan. I suspect that if you eliminate the redundant trackwork you would more or less have the 1950s/60s plan. The position of the remaining turnouts and crossovers can't have changed much because of the constraints of the site. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted June 22, 2016 Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 Martin Thanks I think I am confusing things, your plan is an earlier version, but perhaps a good one to check details. However the plan size is settled its just getting the turnouts and crossings in an acceptable format However as I am in building mode for Bodmin General I tried to find a similar size plan for it on the site without any luck, I am obviously doing something wrong as usual, could someone please send me a link Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted June 22, 2016 Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 (edited) Moving back to the turnouts I have built using Exactoscale chairs to set in place the common crossing around a pre-soldered Vee rather than common crossing, what was missing was an invisible tiebar Some weeks ago I cut a couple of cast slide chairs in half and soldered the slide plates to a copperclad sleeper and then soldering the switch blades to the slide chair base plate, this worked but I had not fixed the outside parts of the chairs Here are a couple of photos where I soldered the outside part of the chair to the stock rails and the sleeper/tiebar moves under it Just had to reduce the length of the slide chair base plates under the rail just to give an extra bit of movement, other than that its fine Sorry about the quality of the photos Edited June 22, 2016 by hayfield 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted June 24, 2016 Author Share Posted June 24, 2016 Cast metal chairs, 2 cut in half The slide parts of the slide chairs soldered to the timber/tiebar Switch blades soldered to the timber/tiebar The outside part of the chairs soldered to the rail (not timber/tiebar) I have used a thinner (1 mm) timber, sadly 10" and not 12" which will have to be changed. However looks and works very well 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PjKing1 Posted June 24, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 24, 2016 What a great idea John, it's something I'll be considering I the future as tie bars aren't my strong point (no puns intended). Lovely work as always, cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted June 25, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 25, 2016 Very ingenious, John. I have no experience in these matters, but I wonder if it is possible to take it one step further so that only the center part of the timber/tiebar (the part in the four foot) moves, while the outer parts outside the rails are fixed? To allow space for the movement, a small section would have to be cut away beneath the rails, so I suppose the question is how noticeable those gaps would be. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 What a great idea John, it's something I'll be considering I the future as tie bars aren't my strong point (no puns intended). Lovely work as always, cheers. Paul This is such an easy solution and I guess many have used the idea in the past , as using the 3 rd timber as a tiebar is as old as railway modelling, with 2 provisos 1, You will need the correct flux for the castings, I used Carrs Green as the red flux was not strong enough 2. You need a slide rail with the foot of the rail on the inside remaining intact (not filed) to increase the area which can be soldered Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PjKing1 Posted June 25, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 25, 2016 Thanks John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoViAnna Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Hayfield, you may have covered this in the thread but it is such a long thread! How to you keep the straight rail straight when you are using C&L chairs? When I built copper clad turnouts I would lay a 12 inch rule on the inside of the rail, push it flush to the ruler and solder the outside. The chairs on C&L obviously prevent this approach. Thank you in anticipation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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