RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2020 What are they doing? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welly Posted January 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2020 Did they fit that air conditioning box the wrong way round? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 19 minutes ago, Welly said: Did they fit that air conditioning box the wrong way round? I thought it was a microwave oven! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Probably old news to some but I had to chuckle when filling up at the newly refurbished local Esso petrol station earlier. No photos for obvious reasons as the lovely new sign on each pump reminded me that I mustn't use my phone on the forecourt or risk laying waste to half the town so was surprised that the same sign also showed how I could use Esso's phone app to pay for the fuel at the pump. Go figure! 1 3 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Welly said: Did they fit that air conditioning box the wrong way round? What's an air conditioning box? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ozexpatriate Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Gareth Collier said: ... the lovely new sign on each pump reminded me that I mustn't use my phone on the forecourt or risk laying waste to half the town ... What manner of absurdity is this? How many global incidents are there of mobile phones creating sparks? (I'm not talking about those employed in improvised explosive devices.) See 0:15 here. Edited January 27, 2020 by Ozexpatriate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 May the swartz be with you Marc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, Ozexpatriate said: What manner of absurdity is this? How many global incidents are there of mobile phones creating sparks? (I'm not talking about those employed in improvised explosive devices.) See 0:15 here. It's not sparks per se but Theoretically the radio waves from the phones can cause problems that could start a fire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bimble Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 32 minutes ago, melmerby said: It's not sparks per se but Theoretically the radio waves from the phones can cause problems that could start a fire. That's utter nonsense. What it seems mostly likely is that in countries where people can start the pump going, then get back in the car to get out of the cold (such as the US), the driver would get out to put the pump back and due to a build up of static cause a spark when they earthed themselves. Right next to the open petrol cap. Boom. Petroleum Equipment Institute - Stop Static Campaign 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Sidecar Racer Posted January 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) Mobile phones are the least of your worries with people like these around . Edited January 27, 2020 by Sidecar Racer 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 There was a theory a few years ago that mobile phones could be used to interfere with the signal going from the pump to the till thereby you got the petrol cheaper. But it was an urban myth. The other mobile phone myth was debunked years ago. Here's Dr Karl's take on it. https://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/11/30/1799366.htm Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Ozexpatriate said: What manner of absurdity is this? How many global incidents are there of mobile phones creating sparks? (I'm not talking about those employed in improvised explosive devices.) See 0:15 here. I seem to recall on Top Gear them filling up a caravan with cans of petrol and as many mobile phones as they could lay their hands on and were disappointed when nothing happened. It may be absurd but every filling station forecourt has a sign saying no mobile phones. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, melmerby said: It's not sparks per se but Theoretically the radio waves from the phones can cause problems that could start a fire. Nonsense. Every square mm of our existence is bombarded constantly by radio waves. Think of all the broadcast TV and radio stations. It is absurd to think that one little mobile telephone transmitter will make a difference to this existing RF cacophony. Most petrol stations here have a receiver/transmitter, often on the roof of the apron to make sure all the transactions (financial and volumes) are uploaded to the accounting servers. Arguably if this is a microwave connection, it is not directed down to the pumps. Edited January 27, 2020 by Ozexpatriate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Gareth Collier said: .... every filling station forecourt has a sign saying no mobile phones Truly absurd. As the 5G telephony infrastructure is rolled out, I wonder if 5G 'small cell' transmitters will be installed in UK petrol stations. (They would be a natural place for them.) Even the US FAA has given up on policing mobile telephones in flight. Fortunately talking on a mobile telephone is still forbidden, but that's not because of flight safety concerns but to eliminate the inevitable flight rage that would take place having to sit next to someone for hours talking on the phone non-stop. Edited January 27, 2020 by Ozexpatriate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ozexpatriate said: Truly absurd. Indeed but if the cashier sees you on your phone you will pulled up on it. Not sure what they'll say when you show you are using it to pay for your petrol! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannierTanker14 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) There’s a gas outlet on a massive building in Notts which I go by on the bus often. It is surrounded by signs saying ‘FLAMMABLE GAS, NO SMOKING’ but sure enough there were at least five people huddled around it smoking. if that building ever explodes it wouldn’t be hard finding out why... Edited January 27, 2020 by PannierTanker14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Ozexpatriate said: Nonsense. Every square mm of our existence is bombarded constantly by radio waves. Think of all the broadcast TV and radio stations. It is absurd to think that one little mobile telephone transmitter will make a difference to this existing RF cacophony. Most petrol stations here have a receiver/transmitter, often on the roof of the apron to make sure all the transactions (financial and volumes) are uploaded to the accounting servers. Arguably if this is a microwave connection, it is not directed down to the pumps. That wasn't my opinion but the reason they were supposedly banned, hence the italics. Actually the signal level from a mobile next to a petrol pump is probably many times that reaching it from the ether. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Sidecar Racer said: Mobile phones are the least of your worries with people like these around . Yes, the petrol tanks are definitely there! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, melmerby said: That wasn't my opinion but the reason they were supposedly banned, hence the italics. Actually the signal level from a mobile next to a petrol pump is probably many times that reaching it from the ether. My apologies, I wasn't trying to pick on you personally - just the notion that mobile 'phones might spark a fire. The transmitted signal from the mobile 'phone would very likely be greater than any ambient signal from a single source (with the possible exception of data signals transmitted from the petrol station). I wonder however, how it compares to the combined magnitude of the ambient signals. EDIT: There is research to power mobile telephones on ambient radiation. I saw one reference for an experimental device with a power budget of 3µW. It stated that it is possible to harvest 1 - 10µW from ambient radiation (including light). I would happily stipulate that being distracted by a telephone call or texting while fueling a vehicle with highly flammable substances is not a good thing. Edited January 28, 2020 by Ozexpatriate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 G'day Folks yes the guys that installed the Air Con, have put it in the wrong way round, the start/stop buttons are on the outside. 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 hours ago, manna said: G'day Folks yes the guys that installed the Air Con, have put it in the wrong way round, the start/stop buttons are on the outside. Would the unit also blow air the wrong way too? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 G'Day Folks Yep the cool air would be blowing out and the hot air inside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 hour ago, manna said: G'Day Folks Yep the cool air would be blowing out and the hot air inside. Unless you had it set on heating, then you could heat the outside as well.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ikks Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2020 4 hours ago, manna said: G'Day Folks Yep the cool air would be blowing out and the hot air inside. Sounds like a place in Canberra!! although there would be enough hot air inside anyway. Mike 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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