Paul.Uni Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 While I was looking at Hattons website, for ideas of what to spend my Christmas money on, I noticed that the Blood and Custard 4 compartment brake R4349A had the set number '201' on the guards end. Has Hornby done this on any of it's other Maunsell carriages? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted December 25, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2009 While I was looking at Hattons website, for ideas of what to spend my Christmas money on, I noticed that the Blood and Custard 4 compartment brake R4349A had the set number '201' on the guards end. Has Hornby done this on any of it's other Maunsell carriages? Yes, Hornby has done Set 329 in olive, as the R2813 "1938 Suburban" T9 pack, with matching R4378 3-coach pack, so you get a kosher 6-set with the right vehicle numbers and the right set number on each end. The set was a SW District Special Traffic item, based at Wimbledon Park. Imminent, from the 2009 announcements slightly delayed, is Set 392 which is a 3-set in olive, also with end nos. This is in the form of the 2BTKs, which are the overdue items, plus the matching CK R4299B, from a while back, but still occasionally available. I believe the other three liveries will each also include one or more numbered sets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Has anyone done a spreadsheet analyzing the Hornby production and to be produced Maunsell coaches and their relationship to Southern coach sets. I am unfortunately a recent convert to the Southern and do not have the knowledge of the Maunsell Coaches to prepare such an analysis. I am assuming that I will never be able to have accurate North Cornwall coach sets without a little renumbering. But it would be nice to know how close I can get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakdale Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 There is lots of info about SR coaches on the SR Coach group at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/SRLHCS/ I have seen it mentioned on one of the emails there that a member is producing a list of Hornby Maunsells and what sets they are suitable for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 9, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2010 Hint! You might find what you want if you became a member of the Southern E-mail Group at http://www.semgonline.com/, but it is for members only. If you have any interest in matters Southern in the 19th, 20th or 21st Centuries, you are IMHO unlikely to be disappointed in the "stuff" available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted January 9, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2010 Hint! You might find what you want if you became a member of the Southern E-mail Group at http://www.semgonline.com/, but it is for members only. If you have any interest in matters Southern in the 19th, 20th or 21st Centuries, you are IMHO unlikely to be disappointed in the "stuff" available. You can browse the data at this website without being a member. For example, details of coach sets are here:- SR Coach Sets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 9, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2010 You can browse the data at this website without being a member. For example, details of coach sets are here:- SR Coach Sets Sigh. Yes, and I am well aware of this, having been an SEmG member for several years. The OP's request was for more specific info re the Hornby Maunsells, and "Members Only" do get access to this. Sigh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 A link to a spreadsheet with the3 above info was posted on the SEMg group today but was a bad link and I have not had a chance to follow up in Yahoo Groups. best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Arnold Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 While I was looking at Hattons website, for ideas of what to spend my Christmas money on, I noticed that the Blood and Custard 4 compartment brake R4349A had the set number '201' on the guards end. Has Hornby done this on any of it's other Maunsell carriages? I thought I would check this set number 201 with my copy of OPC's 'An Illustrated History of Southern Coaches' - at page 73 it details set 201 as comprising 6-compartment brake thirds (Nos 3730/3731), not 4-compartment brake thirds as mentioned. 4-compartment brake thirds were in sets 204-209, Nos 3716-3725 and 3728/29 (not in that order) which were 4-car sets comprising BTK - FK - TK - BTK. Happy researching.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 12, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2010 I thought I would check this set number 201 with my copy of OPC's 'An Illustrated History of Southern Coaches' - at page 73 it details set 201 as comprising 6-compartment brake thirds (Nos 3730/3731), not 4-compartment brake thirds as mentioned. 4-compartment brake thirds were in sets 204-209, Nos 3716-3725 and 3728/29 (not in that order) which were 4-car sets comprising BTK - FK - TK - BTK. Happy researching.... I suggest you look again. The detail you have quoted for Set 201 is for Set 203. Sets 201 and 202 are quoted on that page as having 4-compartment BTKs, as per the Hornby model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Arnold Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 I suggest you look again. The detail you have quoted for Set 201 is for Set 203. Sets 201 and 202 are quoted on that page as having 4-compartment BTKs, as per the Hornby model. I have just re-read my copy (printed in 2003) and it clearly says sets 201-203 were 6-compartment BSKs - was this an error and has been corrected in a later print you have? Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 14, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2010 I have just re-read my copy (printed in 2003) and it clearly says sets 201-203 were 6-compartment BSKs - was this an error and has been corrected in a later print you have? Mike That might explain it, and I apologise for doubting your ability to read! Mine is 2008, being the "Second revised edition". Looking in Gould, he also quotes the vehicles concerned to be 4-compartment, noting that 3733 from the same order was a 6-compartment version. He quotes these vehicles as having been completed in October 1930, under HOO (Head Office Order) #488. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted February 10, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2010 Has anyone got their hands on the new Hornby 4 compartment Maunsell BTKs 3720 and 3721 in BR green yet (R4395A and R4395B)? Do they carry a set number - they should both be set 208. Hattons have them in stock but there are still no photos after some days, so they may not upload them. EDIT: Phoned Hattons and they helpfully had a look. Apparently both carry set number 208 as they should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emdpowerrules Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Hornby have turned out both R4395A and B with brown painted droplights. They look very smart but are sadly incorrect so you'll need a small paintbrush and a steady hand! Or wait for another production run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phatbob Posted February 12, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 12, 2010 Have Hornby produced the other two coaches for set 208 yet? If so, what are the catalogue numbers for the BR green variety? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted February 12, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 12, 2010 Have Hornby produced the other two coaches for set 208 yet? If so, what are the catalogue numbers for the BR green variety? Yes. FK S7407 is R4303E and is still available. TK S1129 is R4302E and is sold out unless a shop still has it in stock. I already had both, which makes the painting mistake on these new BTKs all the more annoying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted February 12, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 12, 2010 Hornby have turned out both R4395A and B with brown painted droplights. They look very smart but are sadly incorrect so you'll need a small paintbrush and a steady hand! Or wait for another production run. So can anyone advise what is the best paint match, please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted February 12, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 12, 2010 Has anyone done a spreadsheet analyzing the Hornby production and to be produced Maunsell coaches and their relationship to Southern coach sets. I am unfortunately a recent convert to the Southern and do not have the knowledge of the Maunsell Coaches to prepare such an analysis. My primary interest is the BR green period for Maunsell coaches and I have compiled a list of coaches already produced by Hornby and the set numbers they were in during that period, based on the SEMG data. R4302 = TK, R4303 = FK, R4304 = CK, R4305 = BTK(6 compartment), R4320 = BCK and R4395 = BTK (4 compartment). R4302A = 1122 = 204 R4302B = 1123 = 205 R4302C = 1186 = Nil R4302D = 1121 = Boat Train 9 R4302E = 1129 = 208 R4303A = 7228 = 204 R4303B = 7229 = 205 R4303C = 7406 = Nil (328 to 1951) R4303D = 7411 = 209 R4303E = 7407 = 208 R4304A = 5682 = 236 (but also Boat Train 2) R4304B = 5683 = 236 (but also Boat Train 6) R4304C = 5646 = 464 (but also 270) R4304D = 5647 = 464 R4304E = 5650 = 271 (but also 429) R4305A = 2796 = 236 R4305B = 2797 = 236 R4305C = 3744 = 464 R4305D = 3745 = 464 R4305E = 3736 = 199 R4320A = 6600 = Nil R4320B = 6647 = Nil R4320C = 6657 = 199 R4395A = 3720 = 208 R4395B = 3721 = 208 So complete sets 199(Swanage), 208, 236 and 464 can be made up from these coaches. Sets 204 and 205 could be made up if Hornby produced BTKs 3716+3717 (204) or 3718+3719 (205). Hope this is of use to someone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHARLIE5 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 So can anyone advise what is the best paint match, please. Before repainting these droplights are we sure that Hornby have got this wrong? I am not an expert in this area, but I recall that in an effort to avoid painting coaches in blood and custard, BR(SR) adopted the practice of simply varnishing the last SR livery to preserve the paintwork. Given that the last livery had varnished wooden droplights, it is possible that this carried over into BR until a full repaint took place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted February 12, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 12, 2010 Before repainting these droplights are we sure that Hornby have got this wrong? I am not an expert in this area, but I recall that in an effort to avoid painting coaches in blood and custard, BR(SR) adopted the practice of simply varnishing the last SR livery to preserve the paintwork. Given that the last livery had varnished wooden droplights, it is possible that this carried over into BR until a full repaint took place. I was thinking this too. I suspect the Hornby livery rendition is for the period just after nationalisation, not for late 50s/early 60s. However, since I model circa 1961, painting over the wood would seem to be necessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted February 12, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 12, 2010 Before repainting these droplights are we sure that Hornby have got this wrong? I am not an expert in this area, but I recall that in an effort to avoid painting coaches in blood and custard, BR(SR) adopted the practice of simply varnishing the last SR livery to preserve the paintwork. Given that the last livery had varnished wooden droplights, it is possible that this carried over into BR until a full repaint took place. Drop lights ceased being varnished with the introduction of the malachite livery, post 1937, when they became became painted in malachite too. Droplights in the Blood & Custard livery should be painted custard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHARLIE5 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Drop lights ceased being varnished with the introduction of the malachite livery, post 1937, when they became became painted in malachite too. Droplights in the Blood & Custard livery should be painted custard. Thanks Graham. I had a feeling you would know the answer! Back to the problem of finding a matching paint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted February 12, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 12, 2010 To be honest, whether Hornby have got it wrong or not is not really the issue. They have already produced a large number of BR(SR) liveried Maunsells in overall green and they should know that people will, in the main, want to run these coaches (R4395) with them. So they should be the same. Period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted February 12, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 12, 2010 A thought: On the Hornby website the illustration for R4395 A & B show them with green painted frames. It makes me wonder if this is another case of the Chinese factory deciding what to do rather than following Hornby's instructions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alco Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 According to the following site http://www3.sympatico.ca/lsw.lbsc/00COACHS/SETREGST.HTM TK S1186 (R4302C) was also in set 208 from 5/1946 to 1961. Would I be right in saying that post June 51 it would have been an 8 car set in green? Regards Bob My primary interest is the BR green period for Maunsell coaches and I have compiled a list of coaches already produced by Hornby and the set numbers they were in during that period, based on the SEMG data. R4302 = TK, R4303 = FK, R4304 = CK, R4305 = BTK(6 compartment), R4320 = BCK and R4395 = BTK (4 compartment). R4302A = 1122 = 204 R4302B = 1123 = 205 R4302C = 1186 = Nil R4302D = 1121 = Boat Train 9 R4302E = 1129 = 208 R4303A = 7228 = 204 R4303B = 7229 = 204 R4303C = 7406 = Nil (328 to 1951) R4303D = 7411 = 209 R4303E = 7407 = 208 R4304A = 5682 = 236 (but also Boat Train 2) R4304B = 5683 = 236 (but also Boat Train 6) R4304C = 5646 = 464 (but also 270) R4304D = 5647 = 464 R4304E = 5650 = 271 (but also 429) R4305A = 2796 = 236 R4305B = 2797 = 236 R4305C = 3744 = 464 R4305D = 3745 = 464 R4305E = 3736 = 199 R4320A = 6600 = Nil R4320B = 6647 = Nil R4320C = 6657 = 199 R4395A = 3720 = 208 R4395B = 3721 = 208 So complete sets 199(Swanage), 208, 236 and 464 can be made up from these coaches. Sets 204 and 205 could be made up if Hornby produced BTKs 3716+3717 (204) or 3718+3719 (205). Hope this is of use to someone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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