LNER4479 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 3 hours ago, St Enodoc said: So, if Mike's the Great and Poly's the Good, that just leaves me... Ugly? 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share Posted March 31, 2023 I have another loco for sale for charity........ It's a Hornby loco-drive 2P. I've renumbered it, detailed it and weathered it. £65.00 if anyone is interested. I've also added real coal, a crew and a lamp - apparently, some will pay to have this done to their locos! There was another............ This renumbered/detailed/weathered Bachmann Austerity, but I think this has sold already............... 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted March 31, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 31, 2023 I can't remember if the Sutherland chassis blocks are on the narrow side or not, but if they are you could fit thin plasticard sides to it with the details added to that. You might find that you can also file the block to make it look a bit more like the real frames.... I've got a few of the blocks for their Wee Ben kits that take the old ECM motors. I could do with a few more (block and motors) if anyone has them knocking around please... Andy G 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share Posted March 31, 2023 I've been taking a few more 'comparative' shots....... I think a Bachmann Austerity stands up well against a DJH equivalent, especially if one considers the price differential. I asked £100.00 for the Bachmann Austerity in my last post, and that wouldn't even buy the basic DJH kit; not to mention wheels/motor/gearbox/etc. As for an O1...... A Little Engines kit-built one. Compared with an altered Hornby one. Of course, any 'comparisons' are irrelevant where there is no RTR equivalent. As in the case of.......... A Little Engines O4/7. Or a Little Engines O4/8. Didn't someone do a resin O4/8 body to go on top of a Bachmann O4 chassis? Does anyone remember, please, because I'd like to do one for Retford.............. I've deliberately taken these shots in very tight perspective, because it much-more highlights any discrepancies or 'issues' with these models (though, by the way, 'bendy' footplates were not uncommon on ex-GC 2-8-0s). Side-on shots are of use, but they don't show bloopers in anywhere near the same detail. But, you need a camera with a lens which will stop down to smaller than F40! 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted March 31, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 31, 2023 I had one DJH Austerity and one Bachman one. After a weekend running on Chapel en le Frith I bought another DJH one (ex Carlisle) which now has a new motor and gearbox (a chinese motor (£1.25) soldered to a High Level Gearbox) This doesn't go quickly (which is correct for a WD) but can pull a house down! and the motor/gearbox Baz 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb900f Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Tony, If I remember correctly Mousa Models do a number of 04 variants. Pete 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: I've been taking a few more 'comparative' shots....... I think a Bachmann Austerity stands up well against a DJH equivalent, especially if one considers the price differential. I asked £100.00 for the Bachmann Austerity in my last post, and that wouldn't even buy the basic DJH kit; not to mention wheels/motor/gearbox/etc. As for an O1...... A Little Engines kit-built one. Compared with an altered Hornby one. Of course, any 'comparisons' are irrelevant where there is no RTR equivalent. As in the case of.......... A Little Engines O4/7. Or a Little Engines O4/8. Didn't someone do a resin O4/8 body to go on top of a Bachmann O4 chassis? Does anyone remember, please, because I'd like to do one for Retford.............. I've deliberately taken these shots in very tight perspective, because it much-more highlights any discrepancies or 'issues' with these models (though, by the way, 'bendy' footplates were not uncommon on ex-GC 2-8-0s). Side-on shots are of use, but they don't show bloopers in anywhere near the same detail. But, you need a camera with a lens which will stop down to smaller than F40! I think Bill Bedford offers an O4/5 and O4/7. There were hopes of an O4/8 but that seems to have disappeared. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted March 31, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 31, 2023 I think the brass block frames are 1/2in which is about right for 00 gauge. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted March 31, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 31, 2023 7 hours ago, St Enodoc said: So, if Mike's the Great and Poly's the Good, that just leaves me... Wow. Did you see that @PupCam? Puppers? Puppers? Puppeeeeeeerz............. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gr.king Posted March 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) The O4/8 that I created, as a one-off, used the Bachmann O4 running plate and chassis, combined with a boiler removed from an early Bachmann B1, a separately fitted cab (whose height I had increased by adding new lower sides) from the same B1, a taller chimney and a substitute angular Gorton-type dome cover in cast resin. To get it right, the cab and boiler must be separated and refitted at the correct relative heights as the cab roof stands higher relative to the boiler in the O4/8 than it does in the B1. I also had to produce a slope-sided saddle for the smokebox. This was all some time before I had the faintest idea of how to make a suitable mould for anything of that nature and fill it successfully with casting resin. I also messed about with the motion bracket and slidebars, to tuck the upper slidebar more effectively under the running plate, and I think I took the kink out of the con-rods, without breaking them, which was bit nerve wracking. Added 8.40pm - I now remember that I had to add, and blend-in, lower sides for the firebox too. Edited March 31, 2023 by gr.king Clarification 12 1 12 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share Posted March 31, 2023 Well, the things I offered for sale today have fairly flown. My thanks to all who've bought them, meaning I can send another donation to CRUK. I'll be taking what's left (among with some other charity items) to the Cotgrave (Bingham Club) show tomorrow and Sunday should anyone be interested. I'll have my usual demo/loco-doctoring stand. I hope to see you there. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post micklner Posted March 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) Bachmann O4 modified to O4/8 spec using a Bachmann B1 Body etc, similar to Graeme's version. Hornby O1 Edited December 1, 2023 by micklner 21 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share Posted March 31, 2023 Two splendid O4/8s; thanks Graeme and Mick. My first attempt at making one was 50 years ago................ I made it using a K's O4 chassis (though not K's mechanics), footplate and tender, scratch-building the boiler, saddle and cab from brass/nickel silver sheet. The chimney and dome are from Jamieson, and aren't right. Still, it carries on running................. 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Turbutt Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, davidw said: I think Bill Bedford offers an O4/5 and O4/7. There were hopes of an O4/8 but that seems to have disappeared. Yes, I had hopes for an 04/8 from Moussa and even paid a small deposit to show interest but nothing has ever come of it. I think Bill abandoned resin casting and has moved on to 3D printing. I found this link for an 04/8 : https://www.shapeways.com/product/KYYMUFD6T/b-76-gcr-o4-8-loco The design is by Recreation21 I have no idea about quality or whether the price of nearly $60 ($48.05 plus shipping) is reasonable. A pity Little Engines kits nolonger available. Does anyoneknow what happened to them as they did a number of 04s which occasionally turn up second hand. Dave Alexander kits was another sad loss to the hobby. Edited March 31, 2023 by Keith Turbutt Adjusted price and Added comment re Little Engines and Dave Alexander kits 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) n Edited December 1, 2023 by micklner 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gr.king Posted March 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2023 3D printing. Nice idea, save for ridges, and print warpage, but still not yet cheap or quick for large pieces and no use for home-designed unique items if you can't do CAD! I did an O1 too by similar methods to my O4/8, but incorporating the altered B1 running plate (the up/down curves are different depths in the two classes) plus the B1 cylinders (on a new stretcher) and the motion. Somebody persuaded me to sell it to him, and unfortunately he died only a few months later. I did attempt to enquire politely of his heirs / executors whether it might be possible to buy the model back, but without response. I have no idea if it still exists or simply went in the skip as "junk". I do recall John Houlden being amused by the fact that I had used observation of early samples, and educated guesswork, to anticipate the final features of the Bachmann O4 model to a sufficient extent to have most of my O1 conversion ready to "drop on" to an O4 chassis as soon as the models were released onto the market, long before Hornby waded in... 16 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Keith Turbutt said: Yes, I had hopes for an 04/8 from Moussa and even paid a small deposit to show interest but nothing has ever come of it. I think Bill abandoned resin casting and has moved on to 3D printing. I found this link for an 04/8 : https://www.shapeways.com/product/KYYMUFD6T/b-76-gcr-o4-8-loco The design is by Recreation21 I have no idea about quality or whether the price of nearly $60 ($48.05 plus shipping) is reasonable. A pity Little Engines kits nolonger available. Does anyoneknow what happened to them as they did a number of 04s which occasionally turn up second hand. Dave Alexander kits was another sad loss to the hobby. Thanks for the shapeways link. A project for next Autumn perhaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 The discussion about how to do an O4/8 is interesting. It would be good if Bachmann were to do one but I think it unlikely. Might there be a market for some kind of conversion kit to use with a Bachmann/Replica B1 body? Retford could do with another O4/8 or two. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Tony Wright said: I've been taking a few more 'comparative' shots....... I think a Bachmann Austerity stands up well against a DJH equivalent, especially if one considers the price differential. I asked £100.00 for the Bachmann Austerity in my last post, and that wouldn't even buy the basic DJH kit; not to mention wheels/motor/gearbox/etc. As for an O1...... A Little Engines kit-built one. Compared with an altered Hornby one. Of course, any 'comparisons' are irrelevant where there is no RTR equivalent. As in the case of.......... A Little Engines O4/7. Or a Little Engines O4/8. Didn't someone do a resin O4/8 body to go on top of a Bachmann O4 chassis? Does anyone remember, please, because I'd like to do one for Retford.............. I've deliberately taken these shots in very tight perspective, because it much-more highlights any discrepancies or 'issues' with these models (though, by the way, 'bendy' footplates were not uncommon on ex-GC 2-8-0s). Side-on shots are of use, but they don't show bloopers in anywhere near the same detail. But, you need a camera with a lens which will stop down to smaller than F40! These and other comparison shots show how good some RTR models are. Whilst assisting Sandra with Retford, I have occasionally been surprised to find a loco I thought was probably kit-built was in fact RTR, including an A2, A1, Britannia and O4, amongst others. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Keith Turbutt said: Yes, I had hopes for an 04/8 from Moussa and even paid a small deposit to show interest but nothing has ever come of it. I think Bill abandoned resin casting and has moved on to 3D printing. I found this link for an 04/8 : https://www.shapeways.com/product/KYYMUFD6T/b-76-gcr-o4-8-loco The design is by Recreation21 I have no idea about quality or whether the price of nearly $60 ($48.05 plus shipping) is reasonable. A pity Little Engines kits nolonger available. Does anyoneknow what happened to them as they did a number of 04s which occasionally turn up second hand. Dave Alexander kits was another sad loss to the hobby. Keith, my limited experience with Shapeways has been of poor quality, expensive items. This has been with a couple of LNWR vans which aren't worth the effort of attempting to turn into a finished model. Products on the Shapeways site ate normally a digital preview, not the item you will actually receive. Bill Bedford - Mousa Models - appears to have moved from resin cast kits with etched running gear to almost totally 3D printed kits. Presumably a more suitable solution for low volume kits, although I prefer the resin cast/etched ones. His approach to assessing customer demand by requesting a minimal deposit to assess demand for proposed products does seem to identify demand is insufficient on a regular basis. Edited March 31, 2023 by Jol Wilkinson Additional text 2 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul.anderson@poptel.org Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) A propos of nothing much apart from maybe the power of Wright as model railway influencer. I've just noticed that a K's J3 on eBay has sold for £117.96 -- looks quite nicely built but *no motor* and with original useless plain-brass-bar chassis and equally useless wheels. So much for getting the (unbuilt) kit for £25 and making a usable layout loco on the cheap ... as Tony describes so well in the latest BRM. Edited March 31, 2023 by paul.anderson@poptel.org 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted March 31, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Keith Turbutt said: Yes, I had hopes for an 04/8 from Moussa and even paid a small deposit to show interest but nothing has ever come of it. I think Bill abandoned resin casting and has moved on to 3D printing. I found this link for an 04/8 : https://www.shapeways.com/product/KYYMUFD6T/b-76-gcr-o4-8-loco The design is by Recreation21 I have no idea about quality or whether the price of nearly $60 ($48.05 plus shipping) is reasonable. A pity Little Engines kits nolonger available. Does anyoneknow what happened to them as they did a number of 04s which occasionally turn up second hand. Dave Alexander kits was another sad loss to the hobby. Don't touch it. It's the wrong material altogether and would be dreadful. It is one of many 'designs' that have never been test printed prior to offering for sale. They are printed in a nylon material which does not take glue and is incredibly rough, it is chosen for cheapness with no alternative given by the designer (the cost would be ridiculous) 1 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted March 31, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 31, 2023 10 hours ago, LNER4479 said: Ugly? I'll take that - I've been called worse... 4 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 7 hours ago, paul.anderson@poptel.org said: So much for getting the (unbuilt) kit for £25 and making a usable layout loco on the cheap Wouldn't happen on Ebay, but if you find one at a show it's quite possible. I have an unbuilt one I was given as part of a clear out. There is an element of chance to it, but there are bargains out there. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 4 hours ago, jwealleans said: Wouldn't happen on Ebay, Not unless you are incredibly thorough with searches, vigilant at all times, and exceedingly lucky. I've been waiting a couple of years to see if "saved searches" turn up a bargain RTR loco of one of two types. The only ones that came anywhere near to my idea of cheap slipped under the radar at the time of sale and were only discovered by me later in lists of previously sold items. The need for one of those loco types has now disappeared thanks to a product from a different manufacturer, and the other loco I can live without for as long as it takes - for ever if the prices never fall far enough. Never appear desperate to buy an item - it's very hard to get a fair price that way... 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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