Tony Wright Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: Tommy did. But TOMMY was an EM1, Clive! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: Tommy did. "The latter" refers to EM2s. John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted March 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2020 6 hours ago, APOLLO said: Watch with mother - I remember them well Picture Book – Mondays, Andy Pandy – Tuesdays, Flower Pot Men – Wednesdays, Rag, Tag and Bobtail – Thursdays, The Woodentops – Fridays, Brit15 I remember the others, but not anything other than the name from picture book. Was Muffin on picture book? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted March 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Compound2632 said: There is considerable evidence that Jane Austen was introduced to the magic of Shakespeare at an early age through participation in home performances led by her brothers. (But that may not be quite what you meant!) Looking through the list of Britannia class locomotives, I note that 29 were named after men (not counting mythological figures), of whom eleven were noted authors. Only one was named after a non-mythological woman, and she not an author. I move that 70047 be retrospectively named Jane Austen. I was told that 70047 was going to be named 7 3/4 then realised it was the size label from the foremans hat. Hat and coat on. Jamie Edited March 23, 2020 by jamie92208 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted March 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: But TOMMY was an EM1, Clive! Whoops misread what you had wrote....see fick dyslexia coming into play again. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted March 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Tony Wright said: An interesting analysis; many thanks. BRITANNIA (70000) was the 'Roman name for Britain, now used for the female figure representing Britain as an emblem on coins, medals and the like'. ARIEL (70016) was 'an airy, mischievous spirit in Shakespeare's The Tempest', presumably female? VENUS (70023) was the 'Roman Goddess of Love' (as well as one of the planets). BOADICEA (70036) was the 'Queen of Iceni, who lead a revolt against the Romans in 60AD'. Not very 'balanced', but typical of the times. Source: The Locomotive Names of British Railways Their Origins and Meanings by Ted Talbot, Halcyon Books 1982. An invaluable source of reference. Looking back, it's astonishing how much I learnt from the names of British locomotives (both steam and diesel): history, geography, literature, mythology, warships, great figures from the past (and present at the time), equine speedsters, ornithology, the military, great houses, astronomy, monarchs and so much more. I used to pore over my Ian Allan abcs, searching out what the names meant in text books at school. I've mentioned this before, but I learnt what 'tautology' meant when I asked my English teacher 'Why wasn't 1011 named COUNTY OF CHESHIRE, sir?'. 'Tautology, Wright, tautology' said Mr. Crump. That didn't stop those ignorant of the fact naming some of the 47s later on COUNTY OF CAMBRIDGESHIRE and the like! Ted Talbot says of it 'later in the year (1979) five other members of Class 47/1 allocated to the Great Eastern section were given names served by that part of the Eastern Region. There has been some correspondence in the enthusiast press pointing out that in the case of two of the names, County of Hertfordshire and County of Cambridgeshire, BR is guilty of tautology (that is saying the same thing twice): that because 'shire' means 'county', the names should either be County of Hertford and County of Cambridge, or Hertfordshire and Cambridgeshire. Despite the faultless logic of the argument, the nameplates remain unaltered'. I wonder, in years to come, whether schoolboys will investigate what the Thunderbirds' names meant? I doubt it. In fact I doubt if we'll ever have such great names as those listed in the book just mentioned bestowed on rolling locos/rolling stock ever again. Regards, Tony. Morning Star, Rising Star, Western Star, and of course Evening Star are all named for the planet Venus, the Brits by way of honouring GW broad gauge locos to try and make them less unacceptable to the WR, which wanted more Castles. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted March 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2020 County of Berks. I’ve been there, and it seems pretty appropriate to me... 2 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buhar said: Hi Tony, A thought came to me.... Do you adjust the coal load in the tenders according to where the loco originated? An up service where the loco was attached at Grantham would still be quite full, but surely the up Elizabethan would be down on coal quite a bit. Alan Good afternoon Alan, Most of the tenders of the locos on LB are pretty full (some are very full). I have a picture somewhere of the Up Elizabethan entering Kings Cross, and the A4's tender still has a load of coal showing above the top. I no longer own this modified Hornby A4 (nor the bridge in the background!), but it should have plenty of coal left for the next 95 miles. Several tons in fact. This was an attempt of mine years ago to create 'smoke'. It's rubbish! KINGFISHER is the usual choice for the 'Lizzie' on LB (along with 60027), and she's still got plenty left. Regards, Tony. Edited March 23, 2020 by Tony Wright typo error 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, The Johnster said: Morning Star, Rising Star, Western Star, and of course Evening Star are all named for the planet Venus, the Brits by way of honouring GW broad gauge locos to try and make them less unacceptable to the WR, which wanted more Castles. Many thanks, Even more tautology! I wonder if 60015 and 70020 ever stood side by side? Regards, Tony. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted March 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tony Wright said: Nothing to do with names for locos (at least in part), but I hope of some little interest. I'm reviewing a book for the next BRM, and I'm puzzled at the 'ignorance' of the author. I won't mention the title or the author, because I'm not sure whether to carry on reviewing it or not. One does not want to be just a hatchet man! There is no way that I can read every word in every book I review, but I employ the tactic of first reading the captions to the pictures, checking for accuracy. If I find mistakes, then I become suspicious and read further. Regarding the book in question, the author is a 'baby-boomer', like me, but he cites Ian 'Allen' as the provider of all those wonderful abcs post-War. Surely someone born in the '40s must know it's 'Allan'. And, as a Mancunian, surely he must know that the U1 is a 'Garratt', not something inhabited by starving artists! Since when has a J69 been 'ex-GNR'? The differences between an EM1 and an EM2 should be easy for anyone to tell the difference, surely? And, how many of the latter carried their names in BR black? And, as for an A3 without superheater header covers, I don't know (it's an A1). There are more...... I know everything I've ever written has a blooper in it somewhere, usually due to my carelessness, but I've never written anything which costs £30.00. It's a pity, because it's fascinating subject matter and of particular interest to me - I've been standing at many of the locations in the book as a trainspotter myself! I'm not sure how to carry on....... If it's this book: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/151645-mainline-operations-around-manchester/ which shares some of the inaccuracies you identify, then I regard it as a missed opportunity. Some excellent photos, some interesting photos and a fascinating railway. Better research in some areas or at least better proofreading would have resulted in a totally different book. Simon Edited March 23, 2020 by 65179 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted March 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2020 The EM2 names appeared when they were green with the later crest, EM1s as well apart from Tommy. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 My favourite A1 name is "Shotover", after seeing a photo of her on the Settle & Carlisle - very apt !! Found this photo on the web. What's all that gubbins for, especially the bit in front of the chimney ? Brit15 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted March 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2020 Feedwater heater 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post grahame Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 This self-isolation is great. No visitors, no interruptions, and no need/reason to go out. I'm getting so much done that I though I'd update with a report. This small building, it will go between the burger bar block and Telephone House in London Bridge Street, was started yesterday and I've got this far today, as well as cooking a full Sunday roast pork meal and making some soup. This is the front and back - the back is the side that faces the viewing position so the front was kept relatively simple - the real building has extensive fancy decorative architectural features but wont be able to be seen on the layout. What will be the front left part of the layout is progressing well. All the buildings are made, although not finished with details and tidying and touching-up work still required on most, as well as some overall dirtying down. Also there's many roads and pavements yet to be made. But I'm happy with how things are going especially as everything has been scratch-built. The most recently made building (above) is almost lost amongst the others (below): 20 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CF MRC Posted March 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2020 A very familiar view. I could take you up Guy’s Tower sometime, if you would like Grahame (when the world returns to normal) Tim 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 hours ago, APOLLO said: My favourite A1 name is "Shotover", after seeing a photo of her on the Settle & Carlisle - very apt !! Found this photo on the web. What's all that gubbins for, especially the bit in front of the chimney ? Brit15 As Mike Edge has posted, it's a feedwater heater and pump, manufactured by ACFI. It was removed in February 1939. SHOTOVER is actually an A3 in the picture (she only had three and a half years as an A1). Class A1 THE WHITE KNIGHT also received this rather disfiguring apparatus. Regards, Tony. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 hours ago, 65179 said: If it's this book: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/151645-mainline-operations-around-manchester/ which shares some of the inaccuracies you identify, then I regard it as a missed opportunity. Some excellent photos, some interesting photos and a fascinating railway. Better research in some areas or at least better proofreading would have resulted in a totally different book. Simon Thanks for that, Simon, It is and I agree entirely. Regards, Tony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted March 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2020 38 minutes ago, grahame said: This is some of the most effective ‘townscape’ I’ve seen in along time. Lovely stuff! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 39 minutes ago, CF MRC said: A very familiar view. I could take you up Guy’s Tower sometime, if you would like Grahame (when the world returns to normal) Tim That'd be great, although I fear normality won't return for quite some time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted March 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Tony Wright said: Many thanks, Even more tautology! I wonder if 60015 and 70020 ever stood side by side? Regards, Tony. Nice idea, and not impossible, but sadly I doubt. Most likely location would presumably have been the Leeds area post 1961. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erichill16 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Dear All, Havent had time to read thread due to pressure at work but it does look as people have be busy. Keep up the good work. I’ve posted a summary of my day on ‘early risers’ if anyone’s interested. Keep well and safe, All the best, Robert 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Tony Wright said: As Mike Edge has posted, it's a feedwater heater and pump, manufactured by ACFI. It was removed in February 1939. SHOTOVER is actually an A3 in the picture (she only had three and a half years as an A1). Class A1 THE WHITE KNIGHT also received this rather disfiguring apparatus. Regards, Tony. ACFI kit available here . Other LNER related parts , name plates etc as well. http://www.niumodels.co.uk/?fbclid=IwAR2jc0fVA9MAkWtH4tGpi4ng4doApKc3Hlq7FtII_V8JCbsJAwZ4r8Dlsew 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 43 minutes ago, The Johnster said: Nice idea, and not impossible, but sadly I doubt. Most likely location would presumably have been the Leeds area post 1961. I saw the two in the same week, but not together, in 1960. QUICKSILVER at Retford and MERCURY at Chester. Both cops at the time! Regards, Tony. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollar Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) If Fireball XL5 had been used as a loco name, it would have to have been a Co-Bo. And if we are looking at locos named after puppets, I would suggest the best puppet of them all - Sooty. Tone Edited March 23, 2020 by Hollar Typo 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, Hollar said: If Fireball XL5 had been used as a loco name, it would have to have been a Co-Bo. And if we are looking at locos named after puppets, I would suggest the best puppet of them all - Sooty. Tone Just don't suggest 'Emu'. Oh, hang on... 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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