gr.king Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I think the black tender top is correct for Woodcock's first livery. Maybe if I paid attention to the same photograph in RCTS 2A that confirms the colour for the tender copings I would also work out what the cab roof ought to be like? It may of course depend on light and shade... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamOrmorod Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Quick Google image searches of 4494 the 4493 brought up this image:https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe=off&client=ms-android-motorola&espv=1&biw=360&bih=511&sboxchip=Images&tbm=isch&q=4494+osprey&spell=1&sa=X&ei=cBOTVcDgA4n8Usyap7AL&ved=0CBkQvwUoAA&dpr=2What do you make of that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I think the black tender top is correct for Woodcock's first livery. Maybe if I paid attention to the same photograph in RCTS 2A that confirms the colour for the tender copings I would also work out what the cab roof ought to be like? It may of course depend on light and shade... personally I'd go black weathering would certainly take it that colour. P.s. still got another of your v2's to do throughily enjoy able!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamOrmorod Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 From looking at pictures of various A4s in similar lights I'd say what you've got is correct regarding paint, but according tohttp://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&type=S&id=600104016&loco=29and as seen in the picture 4493 still had the extra faring around the tender top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrg1 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Jamieson V2 No. 3.jpg Can Grantham have too many V2s? Yet another Jamieson resurrection (temporarily attached to a Hornby tender). It still makes up into a good enough V2 in my view. Probably not! Class V2 LNER 60814 714 4785 17/6/62-19/4/63 wdn(Grantham)19/4/63 60821 720 4792 11/8/57-14/12/58 wdn(New England)29/12/62 60830 4801 17/6/62-16/6/63 wdn(Grantham)16/6/63 60832 4803 7/3/39-18/3/40 wdn(New England)29/12/62 60841 4812 12/6/60-9/10/60 wdn(Doncaster)22/9/63 60842 4813 11/8/57-15/9/57 wdn(York)22/10/62 60845 4816 18/9/55-16/9/56 wdn(New England)23/9/62 60854 4825 16/6/57-15/9/57 7/5/61-11/6/61 wdn(New England)16/6/63 60857 4828 12/6/60-9/10/60 wdn(Doncaster)17/4/62 60863 4834 16/6/57-15/9/57 wdn(Leicester G C )23/4/62 60866 4837 11/6/61-10/9/61 wdn(New England)29/12/62 60870 4841 14/8/39-18/3/40 wdn(Doncaster)16/7/63 60871 771 4842 1/9/39(New)-11/9/39 7/5/61-11/6/61 wdn(Doncaster)22/9/63 60872 King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry E872 4843 16/7/61-10/9/61 wdn(Doncaster)22/9/63 60875 E875 4846 14/6/59-13/9/59 wdn(Doncaster)5/3/62 60889 E889 4860 11/6/61-10/9/61 wdn(Doncaster)11/6/63 60893 E893 4864 13/10/57-14/12/58 wdn(New England)23/9/62 60896 4867 12/6/60-9/10/60 wdn(Doncaster)23/9/62 60905 4876 11/6/61-10/9/61 wdn(Doncaster)22/9/63 60908 4879 14/6/59-13/9/59 wdn(Doncaster)4/6/62 60909 4880 12/6/60-9/10/60 wdn(Doncaster)8/6/62 60911 4882 16/6/57-15/9/57 wdn(York)3/12/62 60912 E912 4883 14/6/59-13/9/59 11/6/61-10/9/61 wdn(New England)29/4/63 60921 4892 11/6/61-10/9/61 wdn(Doncaster)11/6/63 60948 3650 17/6/62-25/11/62 wdn(Doncaster)22/9/63 60950 3652 17/6/62-25/11/62 wdn(Doncaster)22/9/63 60966 3678 18/9/55-16/9/56 13/10/57-14/12/58 wdn(Doncaster)11/6/63 60983 E983 3695 17/6/62-23/9/62 wdn(Grantham)23/9/62 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I think the black tender top is correct for Woodcock's first livery. Maybe if I paid attention to the same photograph in RCTS 2A that confirms the colour for the tender copings I would also work out what the cab roof ought to be like? It may of course depend on light and shade... Cab roof looks all Black in the Yeadon photos. I cant remember seeing a photo of any of the Green A4's not having a all Black roof. I hope the Tender hasn't got a curved rear as it should be straight. Luckily the Tender fairing was removed prior to Garter Blue livery. The argument re Corridor Tender copings not being Black on Blue and Green engines has been mentioned before. I stick to Black. Nice models as always. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 STA70114.JPG STA70113.JPG Two beautiful machines in the making that will certainly find gameful employment on the Grantham roster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I hope the Tender hasn't got a curved rear as it should be straight. It is curved, because text, tabulated class details and photo in RCTS 2A support such a tender for 4493 when new, with cut back copings around the water filler. Admitted, the fairings at the front should still cover the forward part of the coal space. All in good time..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 It is curved, because text, tabulated class details and photo in RCTS 2A support such a tender for 4493 when new, with cut back copings around the water filler. Admitted, the fairings at the front should still cover the forward part of the coal space. All in good time.....ixed it up with the original Woodcock later Dominion of Canada Tender. Mixed it up with original Woodcock aka Dominion of Canada version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 It is curved, because text, tabulated class details and photo in RCTS 2A support such a tender for 4493 when new, with cut back copings around the water filler. Admitted, the fairings at the front should still cover the forward part of the coal space. All in good time..... You're right, Graeme, about the streamlined corridor tender attached to the new WOODCOCK. I suppose confusion could arise because the original WOODCOCK (which quickly became DOMINION OF CANADA) was coupled to a 1928-style corridor tender (ex-A1/A3) which had a flat back. This loco was only ever painted in works grey (complete with lining) in the 'apple green' style, quickly changed to blue when renamed for the 'Coronation' services. What the tender shouldn't have is any beading. It's difficult to tell from your pictures, but I'm sure you've got this right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebbles Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Before it was renamed did WOODCOCK ever have the two additional cab roof ventilators? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) Another pic of Waverley East, this time a top view around 1960. It is not the best quality negative but I feel it shows the crowded nature of the southerly end of the station well. Tony Edited July 1, 2015 by Rail-Online 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Before it was renamed did WOODCOCK ever have the two additional cab roof ventilators? Yes in Yeadon Vol 2 and in Grey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 What the tender shouldn't have is any beading. It's difficult to tell from your pictures, but I'm sure you've got this right. It is certainly free of beading. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted July 2, 2015 Author Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) Another pic of Waverley East, this time a top view around 1960. It is not the best quality negative but I feel it shows the crowded nature of the southerly end of the station well. Tony Many thanks indeed. Given the reflected sunlight in the EE Type 4's front windows and the presence of a PV Thompson with ladies' retiring room (1st, but probably un-classed), might this be the Up 'Flying Scotsman' departing. By the departure time of the Up 'Heart of Midlothian' (which also had one of the PV cars in it), the sun would be due south. Being too indolent to check right now, in the summer which train went first, 'The Elizabethan' or the 'Flying Scotsman'? Probably the former, and if that's the case the A4 can't be on that service if my guess at the 'Scotsman' is right. Is such a view possible today with unrestricted tree growth? Probably not, but I doubt there's anything worth taking pictures of. Edited July 2, 2015 by Tony Wright Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Pretty boring actually - most of that lovely trackwork has been removed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glo41f Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 That B&W picture of Waverley looked as though the track was Peco code 75! I hav always been critical of this but now I am not so sure! Look at the way the sleepers stand out from the ballast. Martin Long Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) Yup - nothing much there that couldn't be replicated with Peco ... and a healthy overdraft. Of course, the east end of Waverley does occasionally still get interesting... Edited July 2, 2015 by LNER4479 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted July 2, 2015 Author Share Posted July 2, 2015 Yup - nothing much there that couldn't be replicated with Peco ... and a healthy overdraft. Of course, the east end of Waverley does occasionally still get interesting... MYDC1327_LR.jpgMYDC1338.JPGMYDC1339.JPG Most interesting shots, Graham. But only because of TORNADO's presence. Nearly 80 years ago, this is what the west end of Calton Tunnel looked like. Yes, Auld Reekie has made sure that the (sand?) stone is black, but look at the infrastructure present. And, the lack of the puerile scribblings of the brain (I wish they were!) dead. Apart from the loss of those splendid NBR signals, a picture taken in BR steam days (other than the different branding) would have looked very much the same. How things change! 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) The biggie of course is the track....Very obvious chairs in steam days. Edited July 2, 2015 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grob1234 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 That B&W picture of Waverley looked as though the track was Peco code 75! I hav always been critical of this but now I am not so sure! Look at the way the sleepers stand out from the ballast. Martin Long I thought it was a model to begin with! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted July 3, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2015 Apart from the chassis being weathered, the glazing added and the bunker coaled-up, the Beames 0-8-4T is now complete. Local friend, Geoff Haynes painted her. Naturally, more information latterly came to hand, and I've got an idea that the red-painted engines had Ross-pop safety valves, though no picture exists as far as I know. Still, it looks well. A full write up will appear in BRM. 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) Apart from the chassis being weathered, the glazing added and the bunker coaled-up, the Beames 0-8-4T is now complete. Dsc_2022.jpg Local friend, Geoff Haynes painted her. Naturally, more information latterly came to hand, and I've got an idea that the red-painted engines had Ross-pop safety valves, though no picture exists as far as I know. Still, it looks well. A full write up will appear in BRM. A less than perfect picture shows 7945 in lake with very small L M S on bunker rather than roundel. Ross pops believed carried from new by Nos.7943 onwards. (Jenkinson & Essery Illustrated History of LMS Locomotives Volume 2). Edited July 3, 2015 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted July 3, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2015 The 0-8-4T look better in Black I must admit. Nice loco but it may have been easier to scratchbuild it? Baz 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Pretty boring actually - most of that lovely trackwork has been removed! Sadly, the trees that have been allowed to grow everywhere have not been removed, even since BR days. Considering the amount of damage they are doing to the masonry, it's a false economy to let them grow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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