RMweb Gold farren Posted April 3, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 3, 2015 44871 looking nice hopefully you'll be able to renumber it to your wanted identity. Sorry to hear about the butter fingers incident. Baz dam covers it I think. The black5 must be one of the best for variations. I have four at the moment with the comet caprotti next on the shopping list. Any body ever counted all the variations? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
46256 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Ian I have any number of stanier tenders from a number of sources....have you been able to locate another...if not pm met and will send one of mine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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92220 Posted April 3, 2015 Author Share Posted April 3, 2015 Thanks very much everyone. I'll probably get another from Comet/Wizard I think. I've got 2 rivetted ones and a welded one waiting for their roles in life but this does need to be a part welded one with Ivatt vents and plain axleboxes. They don't take all that long to put together and it will serve me right for being clumsy. I will just have one try to straighten it out and use some filler to see whether it can be rescued. What a total muppet..... Iain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark axlecounter Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Hi Iain I know how you feel I was building a brass A class for some one and it caught my jumper and flew off the bench and messed it up. Took 3 months to sort out had to get another one for the bloke. Don't let it get you down buddy. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
46256 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Iain I will break the sad news to my tenders that they remain sad and unwanted......only joking best wishes with your replacement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
46256 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Just studying my own photo of the pick ups...looks suspiciously like the feed wire from motor to gapped centre board has come slightly U soldered and touching the non insulated side...will investigate for sure tomorrow. I know one modeller who photos his conversion stages just to pick up anomalies like this.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
46256 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Iain one last thing don't put yourself down that is what loved ones/ family are for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
92220 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 I have got a bit of a Black 5 production line going on: 44781: Has become 44684: and is now fully lined out. Top lamp bracket returned to the original place. An unlined and very poorly weathered 45055 (the original owner just painted over the original LMS livery on 5055) has become 45033 and is lined out too, while 45293 is now 45371. Correct tenders also lined out. I haven't yet repaired the other chassis for 45033. Various stages: All the Black 5s need bringing to the same levels - Brassmasters or similar motion bracket and slide bar support, lubricators, AWS etc, plus weathering, coal and crew. Oh, and I nearly forgot - smokebox numberplates and shed code plates. Then I will have one of each of the main varieties: 45033 SFB domeless rivetted tender plain axleboxes 45371 LFB with topfeed near dome welded tender plain axleboxes 44684 LFB forward topfeed rivetted tender plain axleboxes 44741 LRP Caprotti LFB Ivatt topfeed part welded tender plain axleboxes 44687 HRP Caprotti LFB Ivatt topfeed part welded tender roller bearings But I still have 2 tenders and one body left over so I guess something else will follow in due course..... I've also had a go at 70048 "The Territorial Army 1908-1958" converted from 70050 Basically renumbered and new nameplates, plus adding the detail pack and Gibson front bogie wheels which make a significant visual impact I think. I think the new numbers will blend in sufficiently with the Hornby originals when weathered, but if not, I'll replace the lot. I may have made a mistake with the nameplates. They were red background when new, but I thought they changed to black. Now I find they might not have done. I'll work it out. It is hard to tell where else this model can be improved easily. I could add the water feed pipes from the tender as I did on 92220 but the loco-tender coupling on the most recent Britannnia is so rank that I have to sort that first to see whether there is sufficient unimpeded movement to add other details like that. I could cut this off: but I'd rather remove it. However, I can't seem to work out how to get the tender chassis apart. More importantly, one axle on the tender has a b2b of about 14.0 so I really do have to get it apart to adjust that. Any ideas? And finally.....I've made a speculative start on a loco project that is probably not far short of bonkers. I'll start another thread and maybe put it in for the 2015 challenge. Iain 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
46256 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Iain can't leave us in mid air...far short of bonkers....please disclose this beast 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark axlecounter Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) Hi Iain hope all is well. I can tell you how to take the bar off I did it to my Brit/clan. The front foot plate justs clips on with a bit of glue. Take your time go from the top towards the back and the steps and front comes off Hope that helps P.S MMMMMMM!!!! black 5's (drewling ) Mark Edited May 7, 2015 by mark axlecounter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 My, but those black 5's look good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Black 5's look very nice. That's a nice big plate in the Brit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
92220 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 Thanks all. Mark, that sounds logical - thanks v much and I'll give it a go. I'll try to get all 5 Black Fives completed in the next few weeks. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/99006-br-caprotti-crosti-standard-5/&do=findComment&comment=1881819is where the lunacy begins. Iain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianwales Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Hi Iain If you fancy another variation of the black 5, Wild Boar Fell of RMweb is going to do a tender top representing the LMS self weighing tender which was towed around by various Black 5's Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
92220 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 Hi Ian, That sounds like a really nice project, though I think I've got enough unusual Black 5s already with the two caprottis! 44767 didn't venture down this way I don't think (and, as impressed as I am with the efforts of others making the Bill Bedford etch up, I'm probably not capable of that one yet.) I've seen quite a few pics of those self-weighing tenders but none at Euston and Camden around 1960. I probably need about 80-100 mainstream Black 5s to balance the books properly to be honest. I won't actually do that, in case anyone thinks I've completely lost it! Iain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted May 7, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 7, 2015 I remember you building one caprotti. Where did the second come from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
92220 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 I remember you building one caprotti. Where did the second come from. Hi Farren, This was the other one, back a couple of pages: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/65335-motive-power-for-camden-shed/?p=1341868 I have a pic of 44687 on the up Midlander coming past Camden in August 59 Could do this one again.....the cab windows are wrong Iain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianwales Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Hi Ian, (and, as impressed as I am with the efforts of others making the Bill Bedford etch up, I'm probably not capable of that one yet.) Iain Hi Iain I'm a bit confused by the Bill Bedford reference, the self weighing tender is coming from Wild Boar Fell, I don't think Bill has anything to do with it. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
92220 Posted May 8, 2015 Author Share Posted May 8, 2015 Hi Ian, Sorry to confuse matters, my fault. I was referring to the other unusual Black Five, the unique Stephenson valve gear 44767, which I'd introduced as another example. The self-weighing tender does sound a nice project. All the best, Iain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark axlecounter Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Iain the motion for 44767 isn't that bad to do just take it as little steps Go you know you want to do it Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamiel Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Spurred on by mark axlecounter's efforts at 44767, here is a bit about 44687, one of the Caprotti high running plate Black 5s. This one definitely visited or at least passed Camden in 1959. I did begin an account of this in a blog over 3 years ago now: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/653/entry-5089-caprotti-black-5-44687-hrp/ There is a fair bit of detail in there as to how I attempted this. The tender is a Comet part welded one with Ivatt vents and roller bearing axle boxes. I modified the inner Hornby chassis so that the Comet tender outer frames and body sit on that, which seemed to work pretty well - indeed I might try it for a few more Black 5 or other Stanier tenders. The difference from the flawed Hornby tender body is considerable. I did get around to painting and lining it, but no weathering, coal, lamps or crew yet. image.jpg Iain I love those two Ivatt Black 5's, 44686 and 44687, your model is lovely, as are your other Black 5's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted May 17, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 17, 2015 Hi Iain sorry for this sort of hijacking but it sort of fits. I've just won a Negative taken at Camden depot and was wondering if you or anyone else could tell me what the working was the loco head code was for. It's just a screen grab at the moment but will upload a copy to my gallery when the negative arrives. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
92220 Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) Hi Farren, Not sure what the working is but I think it might mean that it is an inter-regional train that either originated from or is going to the Western region. But I am really guessing. Someone will know I'm sure. 70048 running in 70008 has been reborn as 70044 Earl Haig. I paid £37 for this Brit about 4 years ago - unboxed, split from the Norfolkman Train Pack, no detail pack and slight damage to the cab handrail. I weathered it according to Tim Shackleton's methods, but 70008 never ventured near Euston at this time. 70044 did, and as it has MR deflector mods, front step and AWS, it matches the spec of 70008 so making the change easier. It will need a bit more weathering to blend in the new plates and number. Dismantling the tender to adjust the B2B was a battle to say the least. So much so that I damaged 2 of the tender steps, and it made sense to replace the lot with Comet ones. 44684 after the first stage of re-weathering. This was a heavily weathered, unlined 44781that had the lining added over the weathering, so it was always going to need further work. This isn't done yet, as I think it needs some refinement, but the basis is there. It is in direct sunlight so it isn't a great representation of the exact colours. And yes, I have forgotten to replace the rear tender step - how that went I have no idea. Recurring theme?!? Iain edited for spelling Edited May 29, 2015 by 92220 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Hi Iain sorry for this sort of hijacking but it sort of fits. I've just won a Negative taken at Camden depot and was wondering if you or anyone else could tell me what the working was the loco head code was for. Not a through working to the WR in all probability but a West Coast express. The LM used a reporting number system comprising a prefix letter and [up to?] three figures. The prefixes were W for Western division including the WCML, M for Midland and C for Central. Like the WR system of huge numbers carried on the smokebox, these numbers came into their own on summer Saturdays and at other times of heavy traffic and helped signalmen to identify trains. The system started to die out when the four character alphanumerical codes were introduced in 1960. Others can enlarge on this rather terse answer, I'm sure! Chris 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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