RMweb Gold Popular Post unravelled Posted January 4, 2013 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) I hope there are some identifiable vehicles in these 60s pics There was a regular early evening parcels train through Oxford which for a while was a Castle turn. This is 5063 in mid 1964 This was an interesting vehicle W2W (a generator van?) in the train around the same date This is at Chalford soon before closure. The Brimscome banker (4100) piloting a Hymek From early 1975 75055 approaches Aristotle lane crossing from Bicester or beyond And on 5/9/65 at Didcot Thanks Dave Edited January 4, 2013 by unravelled 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 4, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2013 Apart from the obvious roof modification to do the 'aeroplane' version, how much other work does the Lima 42' van need to bring it up to scratch- The bogies definitely need swapping, as Lima modelled it on BR Mk1 bogies- as I recall, someone suggested that the Bachmann LMS bogies are a fairly easy swap for these? Just received a few of the new Bill Bedford 3D printed 42' uderframe and bogie kits, a one stop shop for making the Lima model something like. I'm in the process of fitting the first one, which is proving to be pretty straightforward, although Bills instructions are not much help! I'll keep you posted. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Another SR Van S1797 Man Vic 31 Jan 1981 It is Blue under the grime and had been to Crewe,Chester and Bristol recently Nice wethering exercise ? Edited January 4, 2013 by DerekEm8 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 4, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) I hope there are some identifiable vehicles in these 60s pics There was a regular early evening parcels train through Oxford which for a while was a Castle turn. This is 5063 in mid 1964 sca006.jpg IIRC this was the Shrewsbury - Paddington Parcels. Arrived at Snow Hill after the 1400 express to Paddington and left at 1505. Cabbed most of the remaining Castles on it around that time. After it went over to a 47 it was a favourite train for nicking the loco if a Class 1 failed, as it took all day to do the trip and spent a lot of time standing at Wolverhampton, Snow Hill, etc Edited January 5, 2013 by TheSignalEngineer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Lima CCT needs new w irons as those moulded are accurate in what should be there but not necessarily the right size! ABS used to do a fine Whitemetal replacement, which I would assume is still current. Some floor chopping will be required to fit 14mm wheels, the model has always been fitted with 12mm or less. New buffers would also be welcome. The body for its age holds up well, the roof can benefit from new vents again available from a few sources. Can't recall if CCT should have window frames or not? Abs also do some nice wma battery boxes and other gubbins. Ian ABS will have done all of the whitemetal castings for the Mopok CCT, so they should have all that is necessary available. Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) Triang did a southern one with opening doors, dont know what it is or how highly it is thought of. great thread so far chaps, must admit Im not well up on all the acronyms and Im sure others might be too. dont think a TPO has been mentioned yet? 73128 Manchester Exchange Stn. 28.4.68 by George of Dufton, on Flickr someone did mention DMU car on the rear of a train, take a look here..... http://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/8076533487/ Edited January 5, 2013 by Michael Delamar 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 Bromborough, Birkenhead to Redbank Manchester. Up parcel empties 1967 by Lime street Dave, on Flickr 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 5, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2013 someone did mention DMU car on the rear of a train, take a look here..... http://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/8076533487/ Looks like a Mk1 on it's way back home from York carriage works, and a Heaton Met Camm on it's way to Doncaster works. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 5, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2013 The ex-Tri-ang vehicle is the Gangwayed Bogie Luggage van. It still sells, and they recently offered it painted as per Churchill's Funeral Van. It captures the general feel of the vehicle, has opening doors which increase its play-value, but it has the wrong bogies etc. as might be expected after so many years in production. Someone - Roxey? - used to sell a kit for improving it. It is not to be confused with the recent Hornby Bogie B van (no gangways) which is a very good likeness and has sold accordingly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 These came up in a thread a while back- http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/49684-a-rarely-photographed-npcs-vehicle/ and this looks as if it might be the 'aeroplane van' version. http://www.flickr.com/photos/david_christie/6404229321/in/set-72157626818480878 How about smaller 4-wheel stuff- Hornby announced the LNER fish van for 2013- didn't some of these end their days as parcels vans?. Sticking with a fishy theme, how about other fish vans- Roger Chivers does a plastic kit for an 6-wheel LMS fish van- did any of these find their way into parcels traffic?- and if so, how late did they last? There's also the LNER 'Pigeon van' in the Chivers range- again, presumably these saw service in general parcels traffic? I don't know of any 6-wheel ex-LMS Fish vans in parcels use; the ones I remember were to be seen, into the early 1980s, painted in olive green and branded 'STORES VAN', carrying loco and DMMU spares from Crewe and Derby Works. I can imagine these, like their WR 'ENPARTS' counterparts, might be found in parcels trains on occasion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) I don't know of any 6-wheel ex-LMS Fish vans in parcels use; the ones I remember were to be seen, into the early 1980s, painted in olive green and branded 'STORES VAN', carrying loco and DMMU spares from Crewe and Derby Works. I can imagine these, like their WR 'ENPARTS' counterparts, might be found in parcels trains on occasion. Brian, I have recollections of these vans being specifically used (and marked as such) for transporting batteries to/from Crewe/Derby to main depots. Edited January 5, 2013 by DerekEm8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Brian, I have recollections of these vans being specifically used (and marked as such) for transporting batteries to/from Crewe/Derby to main depots. Were these the ones labelled 'CELL TRUCK'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Brian, I think so, they were certainly marked 'return to Crewe/Derby' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 The ex-Tri-ang vehicle is the Gangwayed Bogie Luggage van. It still sells, and they recently offered it painted as per Churchill's Funeral Van. It captures the general feel of the vehicle, has opening doors which increase its play-value, but it has the wrong bogies etc. as might be expected after so many years in production. Someone - Roxey? - used to sell a kit for improving it. It is not to be confused with the recent Hornby Bogie B van (no gangways) which is a very good likeness and has sold accordingly. It is Roxey. There is a kit for new bogies, footboards and undergubbins and a separate kit for replacement doors. The prototype was very scarce after about 1960 and most of the last survivors were dedicated to pigeon traffic, apparently. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinWales Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) Roger Chivers used to do a lot of etched brass kits for NPCS. I've got several of the Southern ones including the bogie luggage and scenery vans, very nice they are too. If you see any on Ebay grab them. I understood that his son was looking at reintroducing some of the range at least. Could be worth checking the website Edited January 5, 2013 by MartinWales Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I understood that his son was looking at reintroducing some of the range at least. Could be worth checking the website I'd looked for the link to Roger's son's (the one doing the etched kits)web-site, but it wasn't working last time I tried. Regarding the SR Gangwayed Bogie Luggage Vans; these had been built on elderly ex-LSWR underframes to provide extra baggage space on the Boat Trains from Southampton. There was an article in a mid-60s MRC suggesting improvements; it would have been when Dibber25 of this parish was a lad, and Alan Williams, now of Modern Railways, was working there. I have vivid memories of Churchill's funeral- it was my 10th birthday.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 ...It is Blue under the grime and had been to Crewe,Chester and Bristol recently. Nice weathering exercise ? Also the degrading roof canvas going into wrinkles is very rarely modelled. so out of the older RTR offerings, what would we say needs improving on them... Add filth, covers a multitude of inaccuracies. The defining characteristic of stock regularly in this type of traffic was the coating of filth. Brake and track dust and any loco exhaust, liberally coating the whole thanks to the turbulence normal with fairly fast movement, and infrequent washing. The odd clean vehicle added to such a set - perhaps temporarily like a blue and grey BR BG - really stood out, And the Southern design four wheel CCT's were typically the worst afflicted, windows exactly the same colour as the presumably painted body sides. And always some fine chalk scrawls, and not just names or stations, but numbers and more cryptic stuff like 'from here back' and various squiggles and symbols, perhaps the occasional stuck on label ripping to shreds. Finger art of the 'Killroy was here' type also. We didn't have aerosol spray paint, but if you didn't mind a dirty finger tip or three... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapland Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Used to see the Red Bank Parcel train empties most weekday lunchtimes in the early 80's and it was always a motley collection. Certainly ex LMS and SR coaches plus lots of GUVs and BG's. Afraid my spotting books are long lost so can't help with stock numbers I am afraid. Mind you often they were so dirty it was difficult to get the numbers. Love the Britannia shot which shows how little Victoria changed up till they built the MEN Arena. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted January 5, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2013 I have a lot of 1980s formations but here is a sort of list Quite a few GUV/NKV The odd BG (NAV/NDV) Occasional SR bogie van 4 wheelers were mainly BR CCT, and a few SR CCT and PMV Newspapers were a mix on gangway fitted GUVs BSK and occaionally a BG or Siphon G 65% BR GUV 15% BR BG 3% SR Bogie 2% LMS Bogie 9% BR CCT 6% SR PMV and CCT (end doors different) Odds SPV (the van) Siphon G VERY rough percentages by memory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Parkins book on the subject is extremely informative, its amazing what pre nationalisation stock was still floating about in the 70s. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jbqfc Posted January 5, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2013 crewe 1979 not the best of pics i was only nine when i took it 84 CREWE by JOHN BRACE, on Flickr 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted January 5, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2013 ABS will have done all of the whitemetal castings for the Mopok CCT, so they should have all that is necessary available. Paul Bartlett The CCT axleguard castings and the small battery boxes were available from ABS last time I looked I'd looked for the link to Roger's son's (the one doing the etched kits)web-site, but it wasn't working last time I tried. The website appears to be working at the moment and can be found here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted January 6, 2013 Author Share Posted January 6, 2013 because im a bit thick and a slow learner, im going to ask that if I post a pic, could the first person who knows point out what the vans are in the train and what company they are available from, product code may be a good idea too if known, especially for the livery. preferably 00 but whatever scale your most familiar with. also, is there any sort of estimate on a date when crimson was last seen on any parcels stock, Im guessing it got a longer stay of execution than passenger stock? heres a couple of nice images.. R1369 LMS Parcels Van Leicester Central 18Apr1964 by Ron Fisher, on Flickr R1370 LNER Parcels Van Leicester Central 18Apr1964 by Ron Fisher, on Flickr 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted January 6, 2013 Author Share Posted January 6, 2013 A3 60061 on a parcels train which includes a couple of cattle wagons http://www.flickr.com/photos/64518788@N05/7845416924/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted January 6, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2013 The website appears to be working at the moment and can be found here But note the address has changed. 7 Avocet Court, Leyland, Preston, PR26 7RW. sales@five79.co.uk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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