Nelson Jackson Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Can some one pick up Locomotion No1 (2 if possible) for me please, I'll cover the cost and postage no problem, PM me if you are able to do this, I'd appreciate it, thanks in advance. Issue solved, thank you. Edited September 11, 2015 by Nelson Jackson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Can some one pick up Locomotion No1 (2 if possible) for me please, I'll cover the cost and postage no problem, PM me if you are able to do this, I'd appreciate it, thanks in advance. I could do, if only I can find somewhere that sells 'em. None at Asda Wembley just now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5D_Stoke Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 This looks like huge fun. The photos suggest the wheel profile / flange could be turned down to nearer P4!! A charming little model but it is that - very little. "Locomotion" looks like it has been scaled to fit the track gauge, which is based on OO ie undersize, not true 4mm scale. I've only put a ruler against the wheels and they are about 12mm diameter, whereas if the prototype is "approx 4 feet" then they should be 16mm. Has anyone else taken a careful look at its scale? Very glad I bought one though, it's very attractive with its chauldron wagon even if it'll be dwarfed by the Aifix "Rocket" I wanted to display it next to. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Well we've had the Hachette Mk1s - is that part-work still going? Now we've just completed the GBL. Wonder if anything else is on the horizon? My favourite loco out of the GBL series was the Stanier 8F. What was yours? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Definitely the A2, saved the best until near last. (But that's because it is a fairly recent model in RTR of a class useful to me; everything available longer term in RTR, I already had sufficient purchased as feedstock for projects.) A charming little model but it is that - very little. "Locomotion" looks like it has been scaled to fit the track gauge, which is based on OO ie undersize, not true 4mm scale. I've only put a ruler against the wheels and they are about 12mm diameter, whereas if the prototype is "approx 4 feet" then they should be 16mm. Has anyone else taken a careful look at its scale? If they had a decently accurate model to copy from, and scaled it to fit 16.5mm gauge track it would be an HO model. Loco wheels would be circa 14mm diameter in HO. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twright Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 TBH, I liked the Pannier. Yes it was one of the worst with such an old starting point, dimension-ally horrible and with more things wrong than you could shake a stick at but it's the one that I am enjoying most as I slowly improve aspects of it to bring it up to (almost) Bachmann's standard. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD0-6-0 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Wonder if anything else is on the horizon? My favourite loco out of the GBL series was the Stanier 8F. What was yours? I hope there is more, I really hope there's moreAs for my favourite? The Ivatt, although the J39 comes 2nd with the 8F and K3 close behind. Edited September 9, 2015 by WD0-6-0 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Griffin Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 8f was a definate highlight, one good one for me was mallard, as ive seen so many Hornby A4's missing their front buffer beam i built up quite a spares pool from that one! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I've most appreciated the models that have been useful in terms of easy motorisation and body swapping, despite dimensional niggles because of the base models! So Mallard, the J39, the Western and the 47 have been my "favourites". The other ones I've bought are/will be used for background stock and exercises in livery changes, renumbering and weathering. Locomotion will probably become the subject of a small diorama. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spet0114 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 T9 and the C class were my favorites. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5D_Stoke Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 My favourite loco out of the GBL series was the Stanier 8F. What was yours? My favourite was the C class 0-6-0, it was the first time I'd looked at GBLs, I could straightaway see its conversion potential and bought three. I've since bought a GCR Director on Ebay which will be equally useful, at least for its tender moulding. The 8F and 2MT were good and I've bought a few of others since, but the ones based on Triang Hornby and Lima originals were disappointing. The one I'd like to see appear, if they ever do another GBL series, is the LMS 10000/1 diesel. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 .....My favourite loco out of the GBL series was the Stanier 8F. What was yours? I'm not sure I have a favourite, with just three good enough to make it as runners. The few that I bought were primarily for their parts - useful for other things - since the original sources no longer sell bodies as spares. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Well, no 47s or Locomotion seen in Chester as of yesterday afternoon....desert conditions RE: GBL Favourite models? Mallard, easy to motorise, as with the Caledonian Single 123, and the LNER B12 (still in bits....). Not so easy, but very good to have, the C Class (also in bits....with a part modified Airfix 4F!)...as the Bachmann one is so expensive/ hard to find! Others will be sorted out, as and when. I certainly didn't "get them all", some I never saw available in time, some I just resisted very well...... EDIT: to add, I forgot about the Ivatt 2-6-2 T....another easy to motorise...as long as you can get a Bachmann 2-6-2 Chassis that is. (The finished loco is sitting on the layout quietly.... Edited September 11, 2015 by Sarahagain 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) A thought on the scale of 'Locomotion'. If it is derived from the Bachmann 0 scale one there's a fair chance they've simply halved the size. Now, if the original was 1:43.5 that should make it 1:87 (H0), but what if the original was to the US 1:48 scale? That would make it 1:96, barely bigger than 3mm scale, which would make the wheels about the right size.... Edited September 10, 2015 by BernardTPM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 A thought on the scale of 'Locomotion'. If it is derived from the Bachmann 0 scale one there's a fair chance they've simply halved the size. Now, if the original was 1:43.5 that should make it 1:87 (H0).... Even more interesting. I think there are sketches or drawings out there with a few known dimensions, so that will help determine what sort of scale resulted. It could even turn out to be some weird amalgam. ....but what if the original was to the US 1:48 scale? That would make it 1:96, barely bigger than 3mm scale, which would make the wheels about the right size.... Awkward, given that the visible gauge is sort-of 16.5mm..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsmith_uk Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Surprised that two Locomotion still in Sainsburys, Hatch Warren, Basingstoke this morning (I'm not going back). I thought it looked too small for 00 gauge, endorsed by some comments seen here after I returned. It's all black so, ideal for a painting project, though the model does not interest me and I left it there. Difficult to say which model I bought is my favourite. Mostly Southern that I purchased and they are all about the same standard (good enough for me). I enjoyed motorising and super detailing the Bulleid. The others in my set require more intense modification I think - maybe one day. Shame its finished. I enjoyed reading comments here too. The series brought out the 'hunter-gatherer' instinct in my as I searched for the illusive stock in the shops. Someone asked if the Hatchett 'Your Model Railway Village' is still running. Answer Yes. (An article I wrote for it appeared in issue 8. Edited September 10, 2015 by davidsmith_uk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 A thought on the scale of 'Locomotion'. If it is derived from the Bachmann 0 scale one there's a fair chance they've simply halved the size. Now, if the original was 1:43.5 that should make it 1:87 (H0), but what if the original was to the US 1:48 scale? That would make it 1:96, barely bigger than 3mm scale, which would make the wheels about the right size.... Looking at the head on photo posted on the previous page, the loco is clearly undergauge for the track; so if we assume that it is in proportion throughout as a model then it is somewhere midway between HO and TT3. Interesting isn't it, that without an OO subject to scan, the product finished up to no established scale and gauge combination. Which only leads me further down the path of suggesting that their process is clearly dependent on intellectual property theft... The question is whether said established manufacturers have the budget and inclination to pursue litigation. Given the apparently tight margins on which they appear to operate these days, I would have thought that would influence their legal decisions...... I grant you all this, but an org the size of Kader must have lawyers drawing salaries. They may well consider them better occupied frying much bigger fish; but my experience has been that the best time to act is while the fish is small fry. That there was neglible - and possibly even no - loss from this use of their intellectual property this time around might lead to an inclination not to spend any of the limited cash supply in a challenge. But presumably a profit has been made, and if effectively re-invested in the exploiting business, the next 'bite' may be by a significantly bigger and more capable shark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 .....an org the size of Kader must have lawyers drawing salaries. .... Only if they are in-house, and Kader may not have such a department. They may well instruct outside specialist Firms for IP theft issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD0-6-0 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Bought a locomotion this morning, very tempted to get another too. I may do something fictional, a counterpart to locomotion no1 what the Titfield Thunderbolt is to Lion. Even if it is underscale I really like it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I'm disappointed gents. I thought if I looked in today somebody would already have a running conversion of Locomotion, with fully working beam motion, firebox glow, animated footplate crew and authentic digital wheezing sounds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I'm disappointed gents. I thought if I looked in today somebody would already have a running conversion of Locomotion, with fully working beam motion, firebox glow, animated footplate crew and authentic digital wheezing sounds managed to find somewhere that sells them There, that's better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hadyn Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 The only ones I regret not getting are the T9 and Director. Managed to acquire all the other old or silly engines or ones I have a soft spot for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Looking at the head on photo posted on the previous page, the loco is clearly undergauge for the track; so if we assume that it is in proportion throughout as a model then it is somewhere midway between HO and TT3. Interesting isn't it, that without an OO subject to scan, the product finished up to no established scale and gauge combination..... I think proper scale dimensions / drawings are available from model engineering firms such as A.J. Reeves, so that might provide a clue as to the dodgy scale / gauge used by GBL for this finale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Asda supplied me with my 'Locomotion' this morning. Without running a ruler over her, she seems to be TT scale, apart from the track gauge, which is normally less than 16.5mm anyway, but clearly too wide here. Obviously life's too short to even try to make her work, so she is destined for display following a repaint. Whether I shall attempt to make some correct scale track is another matter. 3' fishbelly rails on stone 'pot' sleepers would look nice though. (Plastic rod on top of carefully filed plastic strip fish bellies seems the way to go - there are only a few inches to do.) Yet another item for the 'to do' pile........ drawings here: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=drawing+locomotion+no+1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CC4Q7AlqFQoTCISq293W7McCFcezFAodiD0AKQ&biw=1304&bih=670 (No comment on the young lady, who has slipped in on row 6.......) I missed out on the class 47, but will look out for a green Lima example at the right (stingy Grifone) price. Edited September 10, 2015 by Il Grifone 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffy2 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I picked up a couple of Locomotions today, and my first thoughts are that it is underscale, almost 3mm to the foot. It is a lot smaller than Rocket, whereas my memory of Locomotion on Darlington station was that it was almost the same size. And Rocket isn't huge. I'm going to put a loco plus a few chaldrons on a plinth to make a small train - you won't get many figures in a chaldron, though, which also indicates the small scale, so if anyone wants a loco-only I've got a couple. I'm almost tempted to try a resin cast of the chaldron for a small train, and perhaps a dandy cart. It won't sit properly on OO track, though, and will need some hammering in that direction. Perhaps make up a section of stone-sleepered, but I'm not getting into fishbelly rails. The colour - they've just copied the Bachmann pewter finish, haven't they? It will need a repaint of some sort, even if only slapping some Oily Steel on the motion. But it's very cute. If I planted it, would it grow? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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