rue_d_etropal Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 There are lots of models that could be done from scans of existing models. Some of those odd ones done in other scales, might have been scanned from kit built models. Not sure. Anyway why do we have to have scans of existing models. How about some brand new models, not done r2r, as Atlas Editions have very successfully done for French and Swizz markets. Maybe we don't buy as many of these partwork magazines as in France, but I am sure models that had not been done before would be popular. I could start a wish list. Austerity 2-10-0 London Underground trains including Metropolitan locos Coaches, especially pre-grouping There are not many British single car passenger units, possibly some of the experimental/prototype ones. Broad gauge? Irish models(plenty of interesting Bullied designed railcars) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrel Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Scottish locos as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Would need a bigger scanner though. And a Time Machine. Stewart 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffy2 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Just rang my local WHS where I have GBL on order. Issue 41 is in, but I can't collect it until tomorrow so don't know the scale etc of Locomotion yet. I've just been to Wallington Smith's and they've not seen a sign of it. I'll phone Sutton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Depends on your definition, doesn't it? The 59's weren't made or designed in Britain, but it's where they have spent their lives so far (ignoring 59 003). Moreover, they were commissioned by a UK company and designed specifically for the UK (and, if the stories are to be believed, the exterior styling was supposed to be based on the class 52 - but was it based on the real thing or the Lima model?) The Lima model, definitely! Either that ot they'd got stone dust in their eyes..... (I believe the "Class 52" story lies in the layout of the controls in the cab, though Wikipedia attribute that to the class 58. The idea being that although built in the US, the cab would be familiar to drivers and require less retraining.) Edited September 9, 2015 by Hroth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted September 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2015 Yes, the solar system does that.In fact,it's never stopped circulating... Well not within a time scale that has any relevance to us! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) ...when cloning a model do they just scan it or actually take a mould off it as if they just scan it couldn't they have just scanned a real loco and then the range could have included some locos that there were never models of. The cloning is by scanning. If a mould were taken that would be theft of intellectual property. (And yes, it is totally bizarre that one technology is acceptable for copying and another - inferior - technology isn't.) Why not scan a real loco? Compare the costs. A team of at least two people have to physically travel to the loco site with the relatively large and expensive equipment (which cannot be used for anything else while it is out on this job). Permission has to be obtained to have the subject accessible in free space for the time required to obtain the scans. The owner is going to charge for all this access. Then the scans have to be both cleaned up, compiled and analysed, to break them down into suitably scaled components for the production process to replicate, to arrive at a set of CADs suitable for tool cutting. By comparison, obtaining a model and sending it to a location with a desk top scanner, where one operative can quickly dismantle the model into large components suitable for the production processes - exploiting the work of the model designer - make the scans of these components (and the scanner is immediately free for other jobs once this is done), and then clean up the CADs to production ready status to cut the tooling. That's a fraction of the money to perform. It does surprise me a little that none of the manufacturers have thought to challenge this process, on the basis that it is their investment in analysing the prototype form to produce a model from a set of components that is being ripped off. The three I have looked at in any detail slavishly reproduce the model component structures that the RTR manufacturer has devised to suit the capabilities and limitations of the reproduction processes. That aspect of the process is intellectual property theft, very clearly. Edited September 9, 2015 by 34theletterbetweenB&D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffy2 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Phoned WH Smith in Sutton - no show. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedders Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 The LMS twins would have been nice Question, when there cloning a model do they just scan it or actually take a mold off it as if they just scan it couldn't they have just scanned a real loco and then the range could have included some locos that there were never models of. It's lot easier to scan something small Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 21C123 Posted September 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2015 Evening Issues 1 and 2 have arrived here in New Zealand... I'll have to go back to the beginning of this thread to see what to do ! Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffy2 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 It's lot easier to scan something small https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_scanner 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 The cloning is by scanning. If a mould were taken that would be theft of intellectual property. (And yes, it is totally bizarre that one technology is acceptable for copying and another - inferior - technology isn't.) .....It does surprise me a little that none of the manufacturers have thought to challenge this process, on the basis that it is their investment in analysing the prototype form to produce a model from a set of components that is being ripped off. The three I have looked at in any detail slavishly reproduce the model component structures that the RTR manufacturer has devised to suit the capabilities and limitations of the reproduction processes. That aspect of the process is intellectual property theft, very clearly. The question is whether said established manufacturers have the budget and inclination to pursue litigation. Given the apparently tight margins on which they appear to operate these days, I would have thought that would influence their legal decisions...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Griffin Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Peterborough smiths has loads, a small exquisit little engine. OO scale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Peterborough smiths has loads, a small exquisit little engine. OO scale. In that case I'm off to Asda this afternoon.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Gough Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Two available at Sainsburys, Wellingborough, Northamptonshire - one now! Both on display appear to have lost small parts (oil pots?) from the tops of the con rods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Gough Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Slip of paper in the magazine confirming this is last in the series. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffy2 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Any chance of a photo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Nothing at my local Sainsburys - I'll keep a close eye on the situation over the next couple of days! Lets have a photo! (Stick a more usual sort of loco from the GBL range beside it for scale - Evening Star perhaps? ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Brit70053 Posted September 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2015 Not arrived at my newsagent this morning, they're hopeful for tomorrow which means I may have to wait until Friday as I'm away all day Thursday Just hope they're not All in Peterborough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Gough Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 As requested: 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 As requested: Excellent! Definitely going to get at least one of those! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrel Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 None in my local shop this morning. Thanks for the photos it looks great. Sad that this will be the last in the series,but what a great way to end it a brand new never before available locomotive. Who will be first to stick a motor in it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) This looks like huge fun. The photos suggest the wheel profile / flange could be turned down to nearer P4!! Edited September 9, 2015 by Horsetan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Wonder if it would be possible to separate the drivers from the chassis? Careful drilling out and mounting on plain axels might be a possibility, and move it using one of those under-board moving magnet systems. Its a pity they didn't do a special plinth with fish-belly tails..... "fish-belly tails", I ask you. Could have sworn I typed "rails"....... Obviously my mental spell-checker decided that "tails" was more appropriate! Edited September 9, 2015 by Hroth 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Wonder if it would be possible to separate the drivers from the chassis? Careful drilling out and mounting on plain axles might be a possibility.... Could be an opportunity for split-axles, given that the wheel centres and stubs look to be "live". The chaldron wagon can use AGW's split-spoke wagon wheels. ....Who will be first to stick a motor in it? As for a motor and drivetrain, I know of at least one system (it's coreless, has bevels, and is NOT the RG4!) which could be adapted to fit..... Edited September 9, 2015 by Horsetan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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