34theletterbetweenB&D Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 I thought he'd gone to work with DRS and Vossloh to redesign the bodyshell of the new 68 to be the same as the 52... Another recycling? Surely the 66 was a step far enough in 'reuse the class 52 body styling'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted August 2, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2013 Oh. I assumed that they were re-forming The Monkees with guys of the same names...... Best, Pete. Or Dave Dee Dozy Beaky Mick and Titch. Titch would be the lady from the T gauge stand, Dave would be Dave and Dozy would be anyone from the Hornby management team! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 So sorry to hear the news. You certainly set the benchmark on how to deal with model railway enthusiasts in the modern age. Others profess to do so and have snazzy Facebook pages, but give little away! Good luck Dave in whatever you do. Ps I really do think Hornby would be well advised to take on a person of your calibre, what with your dealings in sub contracting to Asian manufacturers. They certainly need someone that can open up new lines of production for them. Critical at the moment I would have thought! Not even mentioning your excellent relationship with your market Hi Legend, Colin et al. Interesting comments in your 'PS'. It seems to me that Hornby/Corgi/Airfix had taken their collective (strategic) eye off of the ball when getting involved in the Olympic products (most of those sorts of products end up, after a week or two, in the end of aisle bargain bins) - no criticsm on my part, just an observation. I have great respect for Hornby, yet rather like VAG (when they took on additional companies 20 odd years ago) sometimes, in this modern, day and age, a small management team, can easily bite off more than it can chew, this then brings other forces to bear and takes a long time to recover from! Dave's job remit seems/seemed to cover several remits/professional disciplines (which often happens with the likes of eg. retail buyers) and professional supply chain manangement, strategic procurement management, tendering/contracting and contract management falls under the remit of eg. a professional supply-chain manager, and/or negotiator/buyer and/or contracts manager (when contract has been 'let'). In addition there is then the issue of design/product development, manufacturing, packaging, customer service et al/ad infinitum.....Seems like Dapol want there money's worth! It also seems to me, as if Hornby, Dapol, et al. need a professional who can negotiate and secure - and then possibly manage - water-tight contracts with overseas suppliers/contractors, contracts which have very robust T&C's (including confidentiality clauses et al.) and that are strategically aligned with their businesses/business needs. Of course if Dapol want/need someone who can do all of the above, to the highest professional standards, they probably need a guy in a tight blue outfit, with red pants (which are worn outside of the said tight blue outfit) a red cape and a big 'S' emblazened across the front of the aforementioned tight blue outfit! CME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted August 3, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2013 Don't know how I missed this until now! Just have to echo the posts above - thanks Dave, and good luck on whatever future career pathway you may choose. On a selfish note could you make sure Dapol are going to follow up with the headcode boxes fitted as built Class 22 variant before you leave please? All the best and thanks again Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohmisterporter Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Of course if Dapol want/need someone who can do all of the above, to the highest professional standards, they probably need a guy in a tight blue outfit, with red pants (which are worn outside of the said tight blue outfit) a red cape and a big 'S' emblazened across the front of the aforementioned tight blue outfit! CME I gave this some thought before sending in my application. The only bit I could practice with at the moment are the underpants worn outside the trousers. Tried them on and looked in the mirror. I won't be applying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted August 3, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2013 The problem is that they are trying to combine some very different skill sets and they will inevitably get someone who is stronger in one area than others. I see it a lot in Local Government where they try to get somebody to be a jack of all trades to save on recruitment. Dapol would be better to get a really good product person and buy in external skills for negotiating contracts as and when, IMHO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted August 3, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 3, 2013 "I see it a lot in Local Government where they try to get somebody to be a jack of all trades to save on recruitment." Then they appoint "master of none" and from then on the Peter Principle applies. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted August 3, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2013 And no different in the NHS - there are plenty of occasions when I feel I have reached the level of my incompetence! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 The problem is that they are trying to combine some very different skill sets and they will inevitably get someone who is stronger in one area than others. I see it a lot in Local Government where they try to get somebody to be a jack of all trades to save on recruitment. Dapol would be better to get a really good product person and buy in external skills for negotiating contracts as and when, IMHO Hi Colin, True, yet it does depend upon, IMHO, where one has gained experience and how/where one was educated etc...in other words such is possible (but would Dapol pay for such a person?). Sadly, in my experience, LGA's dont always listen to what they are being told, even when they buy in such consultancy services (very often even if a consultant does a good job of work they can - still - often be used as a scapgoat when they have left the organisation). In terms of procurement/supply chain management (note the word 'procurement' and not just 'buyer' or 'shopper') a consultant maybe helpful - yet it needs to be someone who knows how to get the job done as, in my experience, lawyers do not write good - functional/working - contracts (perhaps they write such poor/overly complex contracts with an eye to making more money if such just happens to - whoops - fail)... Kind regards, CME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 3, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 3, 2013 Am I the only one glad to see Dave leaving Dapol ......I can get on with my scratchbuilding without fear that next week Dapol will announce a RTR model of what is on my work bench and make mine look silly. Thankfully some of their competitors don't have a Dave and my stuff looks Ok compared to theirs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Am I the only one glad to see Dave leaving Dapol ......I can get on with my scratchbuilding without fear that next week Dapol will announce a RTR model of what is on my work bench and make mine look silly. Thankfully some of their competitors don't have a Dave and my stuff looks Ok compared to theirs. It's an ill wind then Clive ! Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Huw Griffiths Posted August 5, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 5, 2013 Am I the only one glad to see Dave leaving Dapol ......I can get on with my scratchbuilding without fear that next week Dapol will announce a RTR model of what is on my work bench and make mine look silly. Thankfully some of their competitors don't have a Dave and my stuff looks Ok compared to theirs. Somehow, I doubt if many narrow gauge - or tram - enthusiasts are expecting Dapol (or anyone else, for that matter) to produce RTR versions of what's on their workbenches. I suspect that many of them would love to be proved wrong, though. Huw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 its Heljan I fear most, having kit built a 14, 15, 17 and 28, this progression guarentees an 02 and 07 next Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 5, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2013 its Heljan I fear most, having kit built a 14, 15, 17 and 28, this progression guarentees an 02 and 07 next I sort of agree about Heljan if they would get the shape right....with my dodgy eyes I cannot see from 3 foot all that fine detail they put on but I can see the lip between the cab and the electric cabinet (short bonnet) on a BTH, the design clever handrail and thick roof on the Clayton, the odd shape of the baby Deltic, not going to mention the tubby duff, the cab front on Falcon, and DP2 don't know where to start is just not right. I don't have a 14, 28 or 52 to comment on. I do like the Hymek and their Lion looks a lot better than mine. Kestrel is out of period for my modelling, that is why this one went to the scrap yard following being damaged, and I have not brought a RTR replacement. second scratchbuilt loco circa 1982 A real kestrel looks like this As for their planned 05, I have built two the ER/LMR small cab version and a NER big cab version. They keep showing photos of one type and announce they are doing the other Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_l_jones Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 He's done such a good job for Dapol perhaps he's been poached by one of the competitors... All those wonderful modern image wagons that have been produced... And the Wessie... Thanks Dave and good luck... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygif Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Kestrel is out of period for my modelling, that is why this one went to the scrap yard following being damaged, and I have not brought a RTR replacement. hs 4000.png second scratchbuilt loco circa 1982 A real kestrel looks like this 027a.jpg Is that one of them mythical Russian Kestrels? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Am I the only one glad to see Dave leaving Dapol ......I can get on with my scratchbuilding without fear that next week Dapol will announce a RTR model of what is on my work bench and make mine look silly. Thankfully some of their competitors don't have a Dave and my stuff looks Ok compared to theirs. Take up N gauge or 3mm pre-grouping - you'll be fairly safe then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Aft'noon all, Do we have the date for NDDs successor yet? Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted August 8, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2013 What have you seen/heard Dave? Have Dapol made a statement of some kind? How has NotDD been "scapegoated" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Hi Dave, Yes, what have you heard? Oooooo I'm all excited for some juicy gossip! Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted August 8, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2013 Or Dave Dee Dozy Beaky Mick and Titch. Titch would be the lady from the T gauge stand, Dave would be Dave and Dozy would be anyone from the Hornby management team! As an aside Mick Wilson became a driving instructor and taught me to drive. There are plenty of options for Dave after Dapol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 No juicy gossip Dave. It would be good to see the issues affecting these models 'nailed' and to have the confidence to order more. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 So let us get down to our favourite topic of rumours and wild speculation!!! His next act is to be revealed at the International N Gauge show. It must be Hornby 'N' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted August 13, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2013 I was down the pub the other day and the locals were chatting about notDapolDave's next move - I was reliably informed that he'd be joining the BRM/RMweb team and working with Andy. The idea being that BRM move more into 'special' model market. First on the list will be a 4mm Adam's Radial tank and second a limited edition airsmoothed Bulleid light pacific in 7mm. That's what the blokes in the pub thought anyway. Sounds good to me. Which pub? Sounds like they sell excellent ale...... John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted August 13, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2013 its Heljan I fear most, having kit built a 14, 15, 17 and 28, this progression guarentees an 02 and 07 next Better use those numbers for next week's lottery, then........ John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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