RMweb Gold big jim Posted August 31, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) Some more of my pics and scans hereford today crewe diesel depot back in 2002, I may or may not have driven these during my training! Stafford crewe Carlisle with the sinfin tanks, really enjoyed driving that! hinksey with a Bicester chord train, it used to run top and tail with a 66 hauling the loaded train from basford hall and the 47 pulling the empties back, still had to work hard though! cutting up on crewe diesel depot 47830 departing Chester with a virgin service Stratford special in Stratford crewe works Christmas Eve 1987? 47709 ‘The Lord Provost’ passing through flint with a ballast from penmaenmawr the signals, box and crossover are all long gone, in fact in the pic it was oou even back then Edited August 31, 2023 by big jim 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium drjcontroller Posted September 1, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 1, 2023 47406 at Newcastle Central with 1E35 Edinburgh - Kings Cross, 8/12/86 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Photographer unknown : 1100 at Exeter St.Davids in May 1971... 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 47 297 on the Stoke - St.Blazey clayliner at Par, 1974 / 75... 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke West Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 On 04/09/2023 at 13:04, Rugd1022 said: 47 297 on the Stoke - St.Blazey clayliner at Par, 1974 / 75... Thats empties from Fowey heading towards Burngullow and the branch there , all end tippers the odd couple with hoods so would be 1974 when they started to be fitted , but the loco is showing reporting no for the Stoke . Clay hoods only worked on shipment traffic , some of the end tippers with roller bearings first two behind loco so fitted , worked mainlines but were sheeted , the hyfits on mainlines were also fitted with roller bearings 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 The down sleeper arrives at Liskeard this morning - well it used to be a 47... 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 Photographer unknown : Stratford Depot's 47 003 at Sheffield Midland... 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 On 04/09/2023 at 13:04, Rugd1022 said: 47 297 on the Stoke - St.Blazey clayliner at Par, 1974 / 75... Only 47097 (ex-1684) and 47123 (ex-1712) briefly carried this livery variation post-TOPS renumbering (confirming 1974) - the arrow logos on the driver's corners had been painted out and the new numbers placed there*. Since the number on the loco pictured appears to end in a '7' I'm sure this is 47097. *1932 retained all 4 logos and had its new number 47493 applied to the driver's cabsides 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 PS also the triple fixed rad grilles indicate vacuum-brake only - 47297 (ex-1999) was built new dual-braked with Serck shutters (just remembered that!) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 47 612 'Titan' at Penzance on 11th October 1984, formerly D1665 and 47 080... 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray M Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 I wonder why they moved the nameplate, from it normal position Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 7 hours ago, Ray M said: I wonder why they moved the nameplate, from it normal position Probably to make it more like some of the other WR named ETH fitted 47s like 'Great Western', 'Great Britain', 'Fair Rosamund', 'Thames' etc. 'Vulcan' kept its plates in the usual position... As did 'Cyclops'... 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 On 31/08/2023 at 13:26, rodent279 said: Unknown spoon apparently stabled at Bristol TM today. Anyone know what it's been up to? On 31/08/2023 at 18:14, 65179 said: Given that it looks to be named and the westie on bodyside, I assume it's LSL's 47593 Galloway Princess. Not sure why it's there though. Regards, Simon Indeed it was 593. I believe it worked a charter in for a water boiling device to work forward. It had gone when I returned from Penzance about 21.20, presume it had gone back on the charter for the return. Jo 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Photographer unknown : Crewe Works in November 1974, 1957 is marked up to become 47 554, it was supposed to become 47 261 and later became 47 705... 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) Venerable old WR 'namer' D1662 'Isambard Kingdom Brunel in the process becoming 47 484 at Crewe Works in early 1974, it had arrived in December '73 and is yet to be fitted with its ETH jumpers... 40 037 alongside has just received its own Tops number, formerly D237. Edited September 18, 2023 by Rugd1022 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 On 18/09/2023 at 13:13, Rugd1022 said: Photographer unknown : Crewe Works in November 1974, 1957 is marked up to become 47 554, it was supposed to become 47 261 and later became 47 705... Interesting - why the number patch? It looks like the original number was painted out and then reapplied, same as before but higher up so it's no longer in alignment with the logo. Here's my photo of the same loco, same corner, taken at Oxford on 17th March 1973: Could it have very briefly carried 47261? There is a precedent for this - 1724 is listed as being allocated 47133 but never carrying it........except that it did! I saw it numbered as such at Reading on 17th May 1974 - I didn't see it again until 21st September 1974 at Didcot where I made a note that it had been renumbered back to 1724 but only on the secondman's corner - with signs of 47133 having been painted out at the other end. No idea what the other side looked like. Why this happened to this one when other 47/4s-in-waiting such as 47153 and 47260 were allowed to briefly display their allocated 47/0 numbers is a mystery....... 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) I dare say you're right, it was probably renumbered 47 261, possibly in error with it already being marked down (on paper at least) to be converted to ETH . Strange things happened during that period in late '73 / early '74! When ETH fitted 5842 became 31 416 it was done at Old Oak in September 1973, on one side the old four digit number and the entire area of blue was repainted below the driver's window and left that way for a few days until the new five digit number was applied using vinyls from the stores building next to the Factory. There's a photo of it in this state by the turntable somewhere. By strange co-incidence here's another anomaly photographed at Old Oak - 5814 in the process of being renumbered 31 414 out in the open by the turntable in February '74... Edited September 19, 2023 by Rugd1022 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Rugd1022 said: I dare say you're right, it was probably renumbered 47 261, possibly in error with it already being marked down (on paper at least) to be converted to ETH . Strange things happened during that period in late '73 / early '74! When ETH fitted 5842 became 31 416 it was done at Old Oak in September 1973, on one side the old four digit number and the entire area of blue was repainted below the driver's window and left that way for a few days until the new five digit number was applied using vinyls from the stores building next to the Factory. There's a photo of it in this state by the turntable somewhere. By strange co-incidence here's another anomaly photographed at Old Oak - 5814 in the process of being renumbered 31 414 out in the open by the turntable in February '74... It certainly was a very strange period and in the past I've asked via the TRACTION magazine letters page whether anyone working on the railway at the time could give us an insight into how it was organised (if that is the right word!) No takers unfortunately. It wasn't so much the green and standard blue liveries loco's which caused the greatest variations during TOPS renumbering (although green 40s and 47s could have their new numbers applied in different places), it was the surviving early blue examples which caused the greatest confusion, as per 47097 above. It was fun while it lasted! Generally speaking as far as the diesel fleet was concerned it kicked off with D96 becoming 45101 at Derby in March 1973 and other works joined the programme that autumn; it wasn't until February/March 1974 that depots started wholesale renumbering. That leaves 31416 as a real oddball, being depot renumbered at such an early stage - perhaps somebody at OOC misunderstood the timing and 'jumped the gun'. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 13 hours ago, Halvarras said: It certainly was a very strange period and in the past I've asked via the TRACTION magazine letters page whether anyone working on the railway at the time could give us an insight into how it was organised (if that is the right word!) No takers unfortunately. It wasn't so much the green and standard blue liveries loco's which caused the greatest variations during TOPS renumbering (although green 40s and 47s could have their new numbers applied in different places), it was the surviving early blue examples which caused the greatest confusion, as per 47097 above. It was fun while it lasted! Generally speaking as far as the diesel fleet was concerned it kicked off with D96 becoming 45101 at Derby in March 1973 and other works joined the programme that autumn; it wasn't until February/March 1974 that depots started wholesale renumbering. That leaves 31416 as a real oddball, being depot renumbered at such an early stage - perhaps somebody at OOC misunderstood the timing and 'jumped the gun'. I'll say - I've just dug out my 1974 Ian Allan Locoshed book (correct as of March '74) and all classes are listed with their new Tops numbers on the left and their old numbers in brackets on the right, that is until you come to the 45s where only the first thirty three listed have both numbers, the rest have their original numbers listed on the right with blank spaces on the left where I had to fill in the Tops numbers in by hand! At this point the ETH fitted 47/4s are only listed up to 47 530. Also in the '74 book there are spaces amongst the 86s to be filled in by hand. It's telling that not a single 26 or 27 is underlined in the book as I didn't get to Scotland until later on that year. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Rugd1022 said: I'll say - I've just dug out my 1974 Ian Allan Locoshed book (correct as of March '74) and all classes are listed with their new Tops numbers on the left and their old numbers in brackets on the right, that is until you come to the 45s where only the first thirty three listed have both numbers, the rest have their original numbers listed on the right with blank spaces on the left where I had to fill in the Tops numbers in by hand! At this point the ETH fitted 47/4s are only listed up to 47 530. Also in the '74 book there are spaces amongst the 86s to be filled in by hand. It's telling that not a single 26 or 27 is underlined in the book as I didn't get to Scotland until later on that year. The Class 45 Peaks were an interesting case since, like the Class 86s, they were, initially at least, renumbered in random order. I recall boarding a train at Swindon in April 1973 and overhearing two guys talking about seeing a Peak numbered 45101 (of course we were all aware of the electric locos renumbered by then so it was only a matter of time). I saw my first two TOPS locos, 45106/7, outside Derby works while passing through the station the following month. What confused things was the emergence of 45001, at which point the fitting of ETH to those with 45/1 numbers became clear. Derby was taking in whichever Class 45s were due general overhauls and presumably assessing them for those most suitable for ETH conversion, with rejections became 45/0s. Examination of listings/dates (the MLIs, especially 230 'Locomotive Directory', are very useful for this) reveals that by the time Derby had identified the 50 locos required for ETH conversion around the end of 1974 the 45/0 tally had reached 45023 - from that point the remaining Class 45s still carrying their original numbers were allocated 45024-77 in numerical order and could be renumbered at depots. However this still took a while - the last loco I saw with its original number (other than Westerns) was 53 'Royal Tank Regiment' at Birmingham New Street on 19th April 1975 - it was renumbered 45041 the following month. It appears that by July 1975 all 45/0s and 45/1s were in traffic - except one, 125 which, thanks to extended collision damage repairs, didn't emerge as 45071 from Derby Works until December 1975. This meant that Class 45 held the distinction of having both the first and last diesel locomotives to receive TOPS numbers. I saw D5381 inside Derby Works on 4th November 1969, didn't see another until 27010 at Carlisle Kingmoor in May 1974 - that was it until a weekend tour around Scotland in May 1977 which netted a lot of 26s and 27s. When 27040 turned up at Swindon Works in 1984 it wasn't a cop as I'd had it for haulage from Perth 7 years earlier! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted September 20, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2023 Turning the discussion back to 47s but in a similar vein, presumably 47125 was not converted to 47548 as originally planned because it was deemed unsuitable for conversion, but does anyone know why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 47 minutes ago, brushman47544 said: Turning the discussion back to 47s but in a similar vein, presumably 47125 was not converted to 47548 as originally planned because it was deemed unsuitable for conversion, but does anyone know why? 47125 apparently missed out on being ETH fitted and converted to a Class 47/4 twice - as well as its conversion to 47548 being cancelled it was also pencilled in to be 47666 before the ETH conversions ceased with 47665. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Photos by Andy Hoare, from his flickr site Old Oak's 47 061 heading south at Fenny Compton with the 1V48 14.38 New St - Padd on 28th February 1981... 47 199 at Bishops Itchington with a Didcot MGR in May 1975... 47 514 at Harbury on a Poole - Newcastle working in 1975... 47 540 at Harbury on another cross country working in 1980... 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted September 27, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 27, 2023 Locomotive Services Limited's 47712 'Lady Diana Spencer' slows for its booked stop at Brighouse on 27th September 2023 with 1Z16, 'The Statesman' Settle & Carlisle Circular rail tour that originated at Hull... ...with D1924 'Crewe Diesel Depot' on the rear. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Phil Mc Posted October 1, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 1, 2023 47765, at the recent ELR diesel gala. Cheers, Phil. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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