RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 24, 2020 58 minutes ago, iands said: A bit of a 'mare to get the connections/bonding right for the track circuits as well - one reason for simplifying the point work! I've an idea that there might not have originally been any track circuits through those complex bits of pointwork although they were motor points. The 3 way in the Down Main Platform Line definitely originally had facing point lock bars and there's at least one outside bar visible on another point in that photo. However later signal box views do show track circuiting through the pointwork. There are a number of details pics on this page - https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/birminghamsnowhill2.htm Track wise it's Swindon Switch &. Crossing shop at its best. and the north end of Snow Hill was certainly hemmed in what with Charles Street bridges plus various sidings in a relatively narrow site. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 5 hours ago, Western Aviator said: I seem to recall that these trains used to run as a class 8 so probably 30-35mph. Thanks for that, it's bad enough on the tube so I cant imagine what a ride on them going much faster would be like! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted April 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 24, 2020 2 hours ago, The Stationmaster said: I've an idea that there might not have originally been any track circuits through those complex bits of pointwork although they were motor points. The 3 way in the Down Main Platform Line definitely originally had facing point lock bars and there's at least one outside bar visible on another point in that photo. However later signal box views do show track circuiting through the pointwork. There are a number of details pics on this page - https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/birminghamsnowhill2.htm Track wise it's Swindon Switch &. Crossing shop at its best. and the north end of Snow Hill was certainly hemmed in what with Charles Street bridges plus various sidings in a relatively narrow site. Thanks Mike, I presumed lock bars would have been used originally, but wondered if the point work might have been rationalised a bit to aid (simplify) track circuit design/installation when the time came for wholesale use of track circuits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 19 hours ago, TheSignalEngineer said: ........ On the other hand I wouldn't trust that 7-Plank to hold together with half a dozen loaded ones behind it on the bank up to Camp Hill. Well, the continuous drawgear should hold OK - but whether there'd be any woodwork around it's a different matter !!?! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted April 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 24, 2020 9 hours ago, Joseph_Pestell said: I am going to dig out the track plans (Historical Survey....) but as I recall there was a fair amount of space at that end of the station and it could have been laid out more simply with no loss of functionality. IIRC the track drops a bit from that point (north signalbox) northwards to dip under Livery Street such that the sidings end up higher than the running lines. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welly Posted April 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 24, 2020 ^^^ That signalbox looks top heavy! 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted April 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 24, 2020 Sod the box - look at the sausages! Kev. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted April 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 24, 2020 11 hours ago, Joseph_Pestell said: I am going to dig out the track plans (Historical Survey....) but as I recall there was a fair amount of space at that end of the station and it could have been laid out more simply with no loss of functionality. From just north of the signal box to Livery Street bridge there were severe gradient changes. Not ideal if you actually want the points to work reliably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 13 hours ago, Welly said: ^^^ That signalbox looks top heavy! I think it's a photo pasted on the backscene ! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 I don't see anything holding that SB up apart from any structure behind the steps - I was looking for the strings! Any movement from the line behind the sausages in a straight line across all the junctions is going to bung up the whole works... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
73c Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 If you look hard enough, you can just see the sky hook's holding it up 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, talisman56 said: I don't see anything holding that SB up apart from any structure behind the steps - I was looking for the strings! Sky hooks! 4 minutes ago, talisman56 said: Any movement from the line behind the sausages in a straight line across all the junctions is going to bung up the whole works... Ladder crossings were rather notorious in this respect, and they were far from uncommon. The one north of Rugby station blocked everything except the Leicester line. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, 73c said: If you look hard enough, you can just see the sky hook's holding it up Indian rope trick - Snow Hill ladder trick ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP82 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Seen on Facebook today top n tail 91s on a mixed prentendolino, Greater Anglia and prototype HST livered rake of MK3s test on the ECML. Sorry I'm unable to share the link Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, RP82 said: Seen on Facebook today top n tail 91s on a mixed prentendolino, Greater Anglia and prototype HST livered rake of MK3s test on the ECML. Sorry I'm unable to share the link Fair few pics on Flickr: (Click to go to Flickr photo page) The 47 hauled the ensemble from Leicester where there are no wires...yet... Jack. 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post montyburns56 Posted April 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2020 "Yeah, I haven't finished building it's proper bogies yet and in retrospect I should have tested the paint stripper before applying it" 15 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted April 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 26, 2020 On 25/04/2020 at 16:14, talisman56 said: I don't see anything holding that SB up apart from any structure behind the steps - I was looking for the strings! Birmingham North Signal Box commissioned 31st October 1909. Replaced by the panel on the station in 1960. 7 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted April 26, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) A clearer (and later) picture. Near the end of it's life: Bit more info here: https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrbsh1150.htm Edited April 26, 2020 by melmerby 15 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted April 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27, 2020 Anyone yearning for a Black 5 that isn't black? This lockdown's doing strange things to the mind. 016 44932 dep Carnforth by Chris, on Flickr 9 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WessexEclectic Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 On 24/04/2020 at 21:33, SHMD said: Sod the box - look at the sausages! You and your bloody oranges sausages.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted April 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 28, 2020 That green Black 5 might not have been to everyone's taste so how about a red one? 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Black 5 - before locos were covered in gaudy vinyls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCGJqjKD1XU 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 I didnt know the Festiniog had a black five ! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 It was just for the heaviest work, but the ride was thought to be too bumpy! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted April 29, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 29, 2020 Pity this poor Compound: 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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