dana Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I have seen pics of the Brake van specials of the SLS and The REC during the 60's as branches were closing and intrested parties hired small locos and Brake vans if coaches couldnt go through the right away And wondered what the requirements would be to recreate those today ? In LSWR Van post about the van in Portsmouth some pointed it out that basicly all it was good for was parts to restore similar vans on heritage railways and others posted that freight vans take up space and are only good for films and photo op's I realize that if such a thing was created between two stations on a heritage line that i probly couldnt hang on to the running boards like the rail fans of 50 years ago but it would be neat to at least ride one for a couple of miles between stations Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornbyandbf3fan Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 The Bodmin and Wenford railway run brake vans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dana Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 The Bodmin and Wenford railway run brake vans IMG_1128.JPG Thanks for the pic , a railway I have to visit then. I presume the conductor is talking into a walkie talkie to give info to the engine crew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornbyandbf3fan Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Thanks for the pic , a railway I have to visit then. I presume the conductor is talking into a walkie talkie to give info to the engine crew From what I remember he didn't have one but he might have been doing that. It's well worth a visit and I'm going to be doing some volunteering there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Thanks for the pic , a railway I have to visit then. I presume the conductor is talking into a walkie talkie to give info to the engine crew Or biting his nails nervously? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 CONDUCTOR !!!! Are we now in america. This is the UK, GUARD please !!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welchester Posted January 29, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 29, 2014 District Engineer's van and brakevan at Chaswater. Although we could ride in the brakevan, we had to get out when the train was shunted as the loco was unfitted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 London Transport ran many Brake Van Tours in the 1950's and 1960's using Steam locos and former Metropolitan Electric locos and have recreated this on our Croxley Wiggenhall Road Depot layout XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Stanier Crab 2968 has been involved in two brake van tours, one when in BR service on 13th August 1966 and the other on the Severn Valley Railway on 14th March 1992. There have been ideas about repeating this, but we aren't sure what the H&S situation would be. Photos by Brian Taylor and Richard Greaves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rab Posted January 29, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 29, 2014 I have seen pics of the Brake van specials of the SLS and The REC during the 60's as branches were closing and intrested parties hired small locos and Brake vans if coaches couldnt go through the right away And wondered what the requirements would be to recreate those today ? In LSWR Van post about the van in Portsmouth some pointed it out that basicly all it was good for was parts to restore similar vans on heritage railways and others posted that freight vans take up space and are only good for films and photo op's I realize that if such a thing was created between two stations on a heritage line that i probly couldnt hang on to the running boards like the rail fans of 50 years ago but it would be neat to at least ride one for a couple of miles between stations I rode on one a few years back at one of the Steel Steam and Stars events at the Llangollen Railway.It was quite an experience especially the tunnel! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 CONDUCTOR !!!!Are we now in america. This is the UK, GUARD please !!!!Sure he's a Conductor.... he's on a Caboose isn't he..??? Ah, no, he isn't..... Seriously though - would a lack of Brake Van Specials these days, even on Heritage Lines, also have something to do with a lack of Brake Vans? Probably most Heritage lines could scrape together two, maybe three, but half-a-dozen or more...?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidR Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 As a youngster, I travelled on an SLS tour of the Cromford & High Peak railway, in a brake van, hauled by a J94 - two of which provided the motive power for the line. Great fun! I can't see what the risks could be now, but there's no accounting for some of the silliness of some of the public nowadays. Edited to make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesperus Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 The NRM sometimes runs a shuttle train with a small steam engine and brakevan from the former goods shed in the town a few hundred yards to the museum. http://www.nrm.org.uk/PlanaVisit/VisitShildon/museumareas/goods.aspx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 The Llangollen railway has brake van rides up and down Llangollen station platform on Thomas the tank engine days. The East lancs railway has a ride from Bury to the engine shed in 12t vans with the top of the sides and ends removed which are kind of similar to riding in brake vans on its Thomas days. 1967 railtour.. Healey Dell Viaduct by Kerry Parker (KP), on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted February 4, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2014 It might be worth following The Branch Line Society if you want a brake van ride. http://www.branchline.org.uk/events.php I've been in a brake van trip at Moreton-on-Lugg ex MoD site recently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJ Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Similarly many line's run fitted goods and allow passengers to travel in the van. As a guard I prefer the term 'man in the van' works the same if you use guard or conductor! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted February 9, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2014 At the Diesel Shunter Gala at Peak Rail, access to the shed was on two brake vans, top and tailed by two shunters. The shunters were changed over quite frequently. Good event and good fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 This is the UK as said above and we do NOT have Conductors. The Guard is in charge of the train and the Travelling Ticket Inspector / Travelling Ticket Collector / Revenue Protection Inspector / Revenue Collection Inspector depending on which Preserved line or TOC you are on checks the tickets and looks out for those trying to not pay! And on those TOCs where all those jobs are done by the same person, they're Conductors. https://firstgroup.hua.hrsmart.com/ats/js_job_details.php?reqid=9435&site_id=148 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pondy Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 On the 22nd & 23rd February Nene Valley Railway will be running Brake Van rides over the Fletton Branch, http://www.nvr.org.uk/events/fives-winter-steam. Since buying the branch they have tried to run these at most steam / diesel events. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I've been on the Appleby - Frodingham trip a couple of times but my first experience of this type of trip was at Corby in 1980 when BSC ran one to commemorate the end of ironstone quarrying. I believe there was a decree that the train required vac braked stock and for some reason brake vans were not used (perhaps not enough fitted vans could be obtained, most were piped). Instead, a raid on the tube works sidings procured a train of fitted tube wagons. I'm not certain but I don't think there was a brake van in the consist, the motive power was top and tailed class 14s. The tube wagons had been treated to a cursory sweep and seating provided on a mix of chairs from the redundant offices and I seem to remember some with straw bales. Thankfully it was a sunny day. Sadly I don't have any pictures taken on the tour but there were one or two on Flickr at one time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 42968 on Wigan brake van tour in 1966, Im pretty sure the top left shot is on the line to Wigan central, can anyone confirm? http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/album/5/nnpq35kb.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Bickershaw Junction, Michael, according to the back of the print. I have got some on the GC line at Lower Ince and Darlington Street. If you're interested, drop me a pm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyewipe Jct Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 The NRM sometimes runs a shuttle train with a small steam engine and brakevan from the former goods shed in the town a few hundred yards to the museum. http://www.nrm.org.uk/PlanaVisit/VisitShildon/museumareas/goods.aspx As Hesperus says, you can have a little ride in a brake van at Shildon & if you're lucky, it'll even have some proper modern traction on the end... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Moss Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 As far as I know, for carrying passengers on brake vans they have to be vacuum or air braked and have shutting doors on the verandas NOT just the metal bar latches. Propelling with brake vans with passengers on is ok as long as the guard has access to the jigger to apply the emergency brake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 As far as I know, for carrying passengers on brake vans they have to be vacuum or air braked and have shutting doors on the verandas NOT just the metal bar latches. Propelling with brake vans with passengers on is ok as long as the guard has access to the jigger to apply the emergency brake. It depends upon the safety case of the individual railway company/society as to whether it contains carrying an allowance for passengers on piped/unfitted vehicles or not. The actual mechanics of stopping people falling out are then down to the person responsible for carrying out a risk assessment as to what measure they feel they wish to take to reduce the risk of an accident. That may include making passengers remain seated in the cabin, adding gates, carrying stewards etc as that person deems fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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