RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted February 10, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2014 Thanks to a very early morning text from Flyingsignalman my son was able to go out and capture 507017 on it's first day carrying the new Merseyrail livery. 507017 by John Skipsey on Flickr More photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/97403198@N03/with/12431400085/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Looks like someone has used a spray-can overnight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted February 10, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2014 Really? Its not just a one off? That I could understand, but fleetwide application, surely they have got to be joking! What happened to style, design etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 The 507' and 508's are soon to be replaced so this may well be a one off XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Reminiscent of Yellow Pages advertising. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom J Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 As Tregard used to say on 'Knightmare' - "NAH-STEE!' I have always thought Merseyrail looked very clean and sharp from a graphic design point of view... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 The 507' and 508's are soon to be replaced so this may well be a one off XF Soon ? What is on order to replace them ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adam1701D Posted February 10, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2014 Horrors! How am I supposed to do the vinyls for the N Gauge version of that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DavidLong Posted February 10, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2014 Some nice photos on the Flickr account; John must have had a good teacher A really good impression of contemporary railways in the North-West and proving that it's not all multiple units either. Seeing the Arriva 175 I still can't quite believe that they run only a two-car unit from Piccadilly to Carmarthen and Milford Haven; they can already be pretty crowded when they leave Manchester. I feel sorry for the announcer at Piccadilly who has to read out the full list of station stops! It will be interesting to see what option Merseyrail go for in the 507/508 replacement. I think that they may be dual-voltage units as 25kv ac seems to be the favoured option for the Bidston - Wrexham electrification when it happens. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Soon ? What is on order to replace them ? Hehe! Nothing yet Merf, they are compiling the specification just now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted February 10, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2014 Soon ? What is on order to replace them ? Some yellow units - see above photo. (at least that's what the majority of passengers will think) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Your (son's) pic got a "Like" from me Beast. I don't actually like it (the unit livery) but great pic. Er... you know what I mean! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Soon ? What is on order to replace them ? Class 319's cascaded from Thameslink @ 3 years time XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Good picture-story shot from your son Dave. The livery looks a workaround to defeat the graffiti artists and is the kind of eye-catching thing we can expect today. Blimey, I find myself looking back with nostalgia at the Corporate blue & grey Units! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NXEA! Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Class 319's cascaded from Thameslink @ 3 years time XF Incorrect I'm afraid. The 319's are in a state of flux at the moment with the first 6 due to go up in May for driver training and refresh/refurbishment prior to entering traffic in December on Manchester Airport-Liverpool via Chat Moss services. As it stands the 319's were due to be split between FGW and Northern, however with FGW seemingly destined to get the 110mph 387's for pathing reasons and/or new 125mph commuter EMU's, their allocation could be going to Northern. A chap on WNXX has done the maths and with all the electrification work going on it's highly likely all 86 will end up with Northern. The electrification schemes only cater for around 60 319's however it's likely that the Northern contingent of 323's will move down to London Midland, as by the end of CP5 Chase Line electrification and other schemes will require EMU's, and I'd imagine that some peak hour diagrams on the Cross-City line will require doubling up, as well as the potential to put any spare 323's on Walsall services to cascade some 350's to Euston services. And finally it's probable that the 321/322's at Neville Hill will be replaced by 319's (which makes sense as there will only be a need for two fleets, 319's and WYPTE's 333's), so that will take the number up to the whole class of 86. As for Merseyrail use, the only suggestion I've ever read was of third-railing to Wigan Wallgate to allow through services from Manchester to operate onto the Merseyrail network, which has only ever been idle speculation on forums. As for Merseyrail replacements, you might be waiting for that for a while - The local authorities are keen on the idea but are currently balking at the cost, so as it stands the 507/508's will be undergoing a programme of corrosion repairs and deep cleaning and repaints to keep them decent until the end of CP5 at least. Hope this helps! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I don't think the 319s will fit on the Mersey Underground. Anyway they've been earmarked for the Great Western electrification. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DavidLong Posted February 10, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2014 Class 319's cascaded from Thameslink @ 3 years time XF Wow, the amazing, expanding Class 319. Going to Great Western, Northern and now Merseyrail. The latter seems unlikely as the fleet procurement is down to them, as unlike other unfortunates they are not in thrall to the DfT, and are grown-up enough to make their own decisions about rolling stock procurement. Their Dutch colleagues at Northern may well end up with merely re-vinyled Class 319s as recent rumours suggest that the promised refurbishment may turn out to be nothing of the sort. This may turn out to be wrong but the words 'trust' and 'Marsham Street' can turn out to be mutually exclusive terms. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Incorrect I'm afraid. The 319's are in a state of flux at the moment with the first 6 due to go up in May for driver training and refresh/refurbishment prior to entering traffic in December on Manchester Airport-Liverpool via Chat Moss services. As it stands the 319's were due to be split between FGW and Northern, however with FGW seemingly destined to get the 110mph 387's for pathing reasons and/or new 125mph commuter EMU's, their allocation could be going to Northern. A chap on WNXX has done the maths and with all the electrification work going on it's highly likely all 86 will end up with Northern. The electrification schemes only cater for around 60 319's however it's likely that the Northern contingent of 323's will move down to London Midland, as by the end of CP5 Chase Line electrification and other schemes will require EMU's, and I'd imagine that some peak hour diagrams on the Cross-City line will require doubling up, as well as the potential to put any spare 323's on Walsall services to cascade some 350's to Euston services. And finally it's probable that the 321/322's at Neville Hill will be replaced by 319's (which makes sense as there will only be a need for two fleets, 319's and WYPTE's 333's), so that will take the number up to the whole class of 86. As for Merseyrail use, the only suggestion I've ever read was of third-railing to Wigan Wallgate to allow through services from Manchester to operate onto the Merseyrail network, which has only ever been idle speculation on forums. As for Merseyrail replacements, you might be waiting for that for a while - The local authorities are keen on the idea but are currently balking at the cost, so as it stands the 507/508's will be undergoing a programme of corrosion repairs and deep cleaning and repaints to keep them decent until the end of CP5 at least. Hope this helps! The transfer of Class 319's to FGW is not confirmed either as their are issues with the length of trains on the Thames Valley branches specifically the Marlow branch. An informed source has indicated that Mark Hopwood favours Class 377's as 3 car sets of these are short enough to Marlow, Given the current flooding maybe boats might be a better option ! XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NXEA! Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 The transfer of Class 319's to FGW is not confirmed either as their are issues with the length of trains on the Thames Valley branches specifically the Marlow branch. An informed source has indicated that Mark Hopwood favours Class 377's as 3 car sets of these are short enough to Marlow, Given the current flooding maybe boats might be a better option ! XF More to do with capacity on the fasts as the EMU's have got to be able to keep out of the way of the IEP's every few minutes. Post electrification the fasts will probably have more tph on them than the WCML, it'll be rammed in the peaks, hence why 387's or 125mph EMU's are favoured. The 377/3's which currently do South London Metro's and East Grinstead work will move back to the Coastway routes - the 313's are needed at Hornsey for Moorgate strengthening and additional services, and as I doubt all of them will be needed, my money is on a small fleet of 5 or 6 313's for the branches, but could just as easily be a small batch of 377's too! But I wouldn't have thought Marlow/Bourne End/Windsor/Henley services would be an efficient use of 100mph units considering Coastway is longer distance and faster line speeds presumably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 More to do with capacity on the fasts as the EMU's have got to be able to keep out of the way of the IEP's every few minutes. Post electrification the fasts will probably have more tph on them than the WCML, it'll be rammed in the peaks, hence why 387's or 125mph EMU's are favoured. The 377/3's which currently do South London Metro's and East Grinstead work will move back to the Coastway routes - the 313's are needed at Hornsey for Moorgate strengthening and additional services, and as I doubt all of them will be needed, my money is on a small fleet of 5 or 6 313's for the branches, but could just as easily be a small batch of 377's too! But I wouldn't have thought Marlow/Bourne End/Windsor/Henley services would be an efficient use of 100mph units considering Coastway is longer distance and faster line speeds presumably. There are a few peak services which run to/from Bourne End and Henley on Thames to Paddington in the peaks hence why these service need 100mph units however I have used one of the current 165/6 through services in the morning which crawls at 40mph from West Drayton to Acton daily due to the current congestion on the FGW and I cannot see thus situation improving after CrossaRail most likely it will be worse. Anyway we have drifted off the topic and maybe need to carry on this discussion on the GWML Electification thread before this one gets locked. Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NXEA! Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 There are a few peak services which run to/from Bourne End and Henley on Thames to Paddington in the peaks hence why these service need 100mph units however I have used one of the current 165/6 through services in the morning which crawls at 40mph from West Drayton to Acton daily due to the current congestion on the FGW and I cannot see thus situation improving after CrossaRail most likely it will be worse. Anyway we have drifted off the topic and maybe need to carry on this discussion on the GWML Electification thread before this one gets locked. Nigel That's only Bourne End and Henley though. Off-peak they won't need an 100mph unit, so Marlow/Bourne End/Henley/Windsor can adequately be served by a 313 off-peak. I suspect post electrification it'll be a pair of 110mph 387's on the fasts as far as Stockley for Bourne End/Henley splitting at Maidenhead. IIRC they're due to keep their through services post-electrification. But like you said, better not do anymore thread drift! Don't want to incur the wrath of the mods! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 11, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2014 Wow, the amazing, expanding Class 319. Going to Great Western, Northern and now Merseyrail. The latter seems unlikely as the fleet procurement is down to them, as unlike other unfortunates they are not in thrall to the DfT, and are grown-up enough to make their own decisions about rolling stock procurement. Their Dutch colleagues at Northern may well end up with merely re-vinyled Class 319s as recent rumours suggest that the promised refurbishment may turn out to be nothing of the sort. This may turn out to be wrong but the words 'trust' and 'Marsham Street' can turn out to be mutually exclusive terms. David It must be Northern, as they never get any proper-brand-new-never-been-out-of-the-box stuff. All they get is revinyled and pro-weathered.......... Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 A Class 323 cascade is certainly possible, as part of a standardisation process across Northern to take advantage of the wires. It is looking highly likely that Class 319 will move en masse, but these are far from a done deal, as the franchise competition is run towards the end of this year, and the rolling stock strategy will not be prescriptive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Looks like something you'd do an underwater trip round the docks in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Looks like something you'd do an underwater trip round the docks in. It looks more sea worthy than the last one! http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/01/article-2302417-1907DD4F000005DC-789_634x405.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.