Talltim Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Why on earth don't legal details have any place on this forum? What rubbish. Recent there was a thread about a lack of EWS models being released. It turned out that this was due to DBS not licensing manufacturers to produce stuff. If we didn't talk about it here then the OP (and me) would not have known. Now if Heljan don't want to say, that's fair enough, but to basically say that people shouldn't even ask is completely out of order Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted March 24, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) . And that might be of considerable relevance to someone who happens to want or fancy the loco in a particular livery. Simple question to which there is, presumably, a simple answer?I think Mike was only getting at which liveries they will produce depend on the license they can get He doesn't appear to ask for details of anything legal as far as I can see. Some companies license liveries individually making it less likely to see all the options as they will only pay for the best potential sellers, these would be the ones widely known in preservation. If the license covers all the liveries in one fee or agreement then the LT modellers might see some of the less widely known ones outside those that research it for models. Obviously the best license as far as we are concerned would be one where they just ask to approve the final artwork to ensure it is accurate and maybe have a few presentation models in return. Edited March 24, 2014 by PaulRhB 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Moss Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Well all I hope for is that I can use my modellers license as I have no use for one, yet I'm definitely having one! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 Some more images for you'll... 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I really want one. Did they ever run in the US? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) ...I can use my modellers license as I have no use for one, yet I'm definitely having one! Same here. The type of interesting model that forces a historical rewrite. ... as part of the agreement with the GNR, the Metropolitan used the widened lines access at Kings Cross to promote its own surface branch running on a North by North-West alignment via Kentish Town, Hendon, Radlett, St Albans and Luton. Here it made an end on junction with a minor midland concern for slow - very slow - connecting services to the centre of England. Edited March 25, 2014 by 34theletterbetweenB&D 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted March 25, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2014 Same here. The type of interesting model that forces a historical rewrite. ... as part of the agreement with the GNR, the Metropolitan used the widened lines access at Kings Cross to promote its own surface branch running on a North by North-West alignment via Kentish Town, Hendon, Radlett, St Albans and Luton. Here it made an end on junction with a minor midland concern for slow - very slow - connecting services to the centre of England. Funnily enough I use the same agreement between the Met and the GNR to bring N2's, quad-arts and other stock from Moorgate to the Chilterns 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted March 25, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2014 I really want one. Did they ever run in the US? Of course....you'll have heard of the Metroliner,I assume? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
decauville1126 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Sarah Siddons did a number of railtours on the SR. Can't find any photos though. Try looking for "The Mary Rose" tour. I think it was out from London to Portsmouth via Woking and Havant, then back via Coastway and up the Arun Valley. Or it may be I've erroneously joined two tours - it was a while back! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted March 25, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2014 Sarah Siddons did a number of railtours on the SR. Can't find any photos though. Here are a few shots of L12 with an NSE VEP. http://www.networksoutheast.net/other-photos.html Sarah Siddons was used on at least a couple of occasions; 10th December 1989: Staines - Windsor & Eton Riverside in connection with a NSE Gala Day. 21st September 1985: London Victoria - Folkestone West. Dover Western Docks - Clapham Junction via London Bridge. A couple of photos from that rail tour here; http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/80s/850921lt.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) Sarah Siddons was used on at least a couple of occasions; 10th December 1989: Staines - Windsor & Eton Riverside in connection with a NSE Gala Day. 21st September 1985: London Victoria - Folkestone West. Dover Western Docks - Clapham Junction via London Bridge. A couple of photos from that rail tour here; http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/80s/850921lt.htm I have photos of it on Staines Moor with 'The Magna Carta' headboard. Magic! Edited March 25, 2014 by dibber25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfsboy Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) I really want one. Did they ever run in the US? Funny you should say that .I thought that if you installed 2 pantographs or trolley poles and whipped off the buffers it would make a splendid freelance US electric . Also stretching the locations and time scale to the Epping Ongar line or even the Fairlop loop .I think i will have to get one of these .....just because. Edited March 25, 2014 by alfsboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 The simple answer would be that as a respected manufacturer I expect Heljan will have this covered. I would like to point the honourable gentleman toward the 57/3's issued by Heljan in Virgin livery for a precedent for them NOT having things like this covered in one case in the past. Hence it's a valid question. There is a reasonable expectation that they have addressed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted March 25, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2014 I'd like one of these. The livery/colour issue holds no terrors for me. I'll paint it LNWR black...... OUCH!!!! Ian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted March 25, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 25, 2014 I'll have to think of an excuse to have one on my layout. While I'm about it how about a model of one of the 1932 BTH Bo-Bo diesels that used to work in Fords Dagenham factory? please pretty please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Jackson Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) I'd like one of these. The livery/colour issue holds no terrors for me. I'll paint it LNWR black...... OUCH!!!! Ian I'll be having mine in Network South East Edited March 27, 2014 by Philip Jackson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted March 27, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2014 I'll be having mine in Network South East Not sure about that though there's plenty of precedent for her combined with NSE https://flic.kr/p/dF87bT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Jackson Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Not sure about that though there's plenty of precedent for her combined with NSE https://flic.kr/p/dF87bT this one is quite good though: http://www.fictitiousliveries.co.uk/photo.php?U_12_ic.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dickerson Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Um. Before we do South Manchurian Railways Purple (well, after the Deltic...), would I be right in thinking that this is a lettering issue rather than a livery one in terms of trademarks? I'd really like to see this model appear, but can see money to TfL (more specifically perhaps, LTM) would be a good idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted March 28, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 28, 2014 I think LTM as the owner of the locomotive will receive licence fees. TfL might still hold the rights to the 'London Transport' and 'Metropolitan' titles. I've no doubt that they will be available from the LTM shop so I imagine they would have got the licencing sorted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy P Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 I think LTM as the owner of the locomotive will receive licence fees. TfL might still hold the rights to the 'London Transport' and 'Metropolitan' titles. I've no doubt that they will be available from the LTM shop so I imagine they would have got the licencing sorted. It might just be that Heljan are delaying the details of name and liveries for the "general release" models until the LTM have announced a batch of "exclusives" themselves. This would be a similar strategy to that adopted in the past by Bachmann and the NRM. If, for example, Heljan were to announce for general release anything except Sarah Siddons or John Hamden it would probably cause even more fuss. I've no doubt all the necessary permissions are in place but suspect that some other marketing factor might be at play. There would be no harm in that. I'm only guessing of course but I'm not panicking. RP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted March 29, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 29, 2014 Like LTM did with the 150 anniversary class 20's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfsboy Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Not sure you have to pay anything for the actual loco modelling rights .its well over 50 years old and if were the case it would mean getting a licence fee from every Morris Minor owner in the country just to give an example . Logos are a different matter but only if they are copyrighted .Of course full co-operation from LT is a given for the right price . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Not sure you have to pay anything for the actual loco modelling rights .its well over 50 years old and if were the case it would mean getting a licence fee from every Morris Minor owner in the country just to give an example . Logos are a different matter but only if they are copyrighted .Of course full co-operation from LT is a given for the right price . You're confusing copyrighting with trademarking. Copyright is automatic within all creative works, and trademarks need to be registered and are therefore much more easily defended in the case of infringement. In this instance, it's likely that the product identity (combination of livery and logos applied to the loco) will be covered and TfL and its predecessors have always been quite savvy (and quite reasonable)in this regard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted March 31, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 31, 2014 Does any kit maker do suitable rolling stock for these? Would be interested in building a train based on their later lives, say late '50s up to withdrawal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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