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The Official Rapido APT-E Thread


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Hello all,

 

Ghost-writing is something of a skill in itself, and there are a small number of (usually) ex Journalists who specialise in it.

 

It depends on the celebrity, but many autobiographies are ghost-written in the sense that the writer will interview the star at length, transcribe their comments then turn them into some kind of structured account; editing out any repetition and judiciously altering the raw interview to add context, make it funnier, avoid libel etc etc.

 

The skill comes in making sure the text captures the subject's "voice" and so reads like something they *could* have written, even if they didn't.

 

cheers

 

Ben A.

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What I meant was that one book in the package would be as much or more as anyone could expect. I am looking forward to it. Nevertheless, I would still be interested in an autobiography. Here’s something to start you off. “I was born…”

 

 

 My starting line would be 'It all started to go wrong when I failed A Level Maths........'  :)

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It's even got a tilt system! 

 

The passenger carrying bits seem to have a longitudinal pivot mounted on the chassis bits so that the passenger bit pendulums in or out on the curves, depending how fast it's going. The pivot is quite high though,it looks to be about chest height, whereas for humans to feel comfortable sitting down it should be at hip height.

 

Pretty clever though. 

It's a rollie coaster; you're not supposed to feel comfortable, you're supposed to chuck up your sandwich!

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just in case anyone is remotely interested, I found the answer to my question about the classic compatible trains which will be procured for HS2: they will not have tilting capability and therefore will be slower than pendos (not to mention the APT) when travelling on the WCML north of HS2. the DfT reckons that with minor modifications they can reduce the deficit to 4 minutes but I very much doubt that. So here we are, decades after APT and with proposed journey times to Scotland in the 2030s only marginally improved despite the construction of a brand new high speed line.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/8083/hs2-review-of_technical-specification.pdf

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Just had a sound demo by legobiffoman at Doncaster show... One feature you didn't mention was the smoke generator as the model blew up haha

 

Nb. Coupling up on live dcc track not recommended!

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just in case anyone is remotely interested, I found the answer to my question about the classic compatible trains which will be procured for HS2: they will not have tilting capability and therefore will be slower than pendos (not to mention the APT) when travelling on the WCML north of HS2. the DfT reckons that with minor modifications they can reduce the deficit to 4 minutes but I very much doubt that. So here we are, decades after APT and with proposed journey times to Scotland in the 2030s only marginally improved despite the construction of a brand new high speed line.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/8083/hs2-review-of_technical-specification.pdf

 

 

That sums it up - building HS2 will slow your journey time. :scratchhead:

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Just had a sound demo by legobiffoman at Doncaster show... One feature you didn't mention was the smoke generator as the model blew up haha

 

Nb. Coupling up on live dcc track not recommended!

I blew a Hornby Black 5 sound decoder doing that. I’m not terribly upset because I think I can get a better decoder and sound project. All the same, I now wait to turn on power until all locomotives are safely on the rails.

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just in case anyone is remotely interested, I found the answer to my question about the classic compatible trains which will be procured for HS2: they will not have tilting capability and therefore will be slower than pendos (not to mention the APT) when travelling on the WCML north of HS2. the DfT reckons that with minor modifications they can reduce the deficit to 4 minutes but I very much doubt that. So here we are, decades after APT and with proposed journey times to Scotland in the 2030s only marginally improved despite the construction of a brand new high speed line.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/8083/hs2-review-of_technical-specification.pdf

Interesting document. I was rather intrigued to see a section entitled “Gauge”. For stability, 7' 0¼"? No – it turns out to mean loading gauge. GC was considered. Great Central? No, I think it’s Geneva Convention. I went to the list of acronyms just to be sure and there was no GC listed. I always suspect that when a document is sloppy, there is a good chance that the content is too.

 

It seems to me that when a new line is built or an existing one is electrified or converted from third rail to overhead, the extra cost of doing it to the continental loading gauge is tiny compared to the total cost of the whole project. Not to do it seems short sighted.

 

I have bleated before about replacing 125 m.p.h. trains with 125 m.p.h. trains. Here we are going to run non-tilting trains in competition with tilting trains. It seems that the new technology, with a bit of clever thinking and modification of existing lines, can be made to be no more than four minutes slower than existing trains.

 

Hm. Lucky for the government that the late lamented John Fortune is no longer with us.

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I have bleated before about replacing 125 m.p.h. trains with 125 m.p.h. trains. Here we are going to run non-tilting trains in competition with tilting trains. It seems that the new technology, with a bit of clever thinking and modification of existing lines, can be made to be no more than four minutes slower than existing trains.

Isn't that because the tilting trains were intended to run on existing lines with curves that are too sharp for the speed they'll be running at, whereas HS2 is going to be a new line designed to run trains at those speeds without the need to tilt? I assume that non-tilting trains are cheaper than tilting trains, all other things considered equal.

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Quite correct. However, the new trains will run off the dedicated high-speed line onto the WCML, on which they cannot match the speed of the Pendolinos. Consequently, they will take a slightly longer total time from London to Glasgow.

 

An idle thought. I wonder how much it would cost to re-signal the WCML for 140 m.p.h. or even, getting Mr. Tilt on the job, 155.

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 Consequently, they will take a slightly longer total time from London to Glasgow.

 

 

Forgive me for not reading the linked document fully - Surely it means they'll take slightly longer between Litchfield and Glasgow, but remain faster between London and Glasgow overall?

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As No Decorum points out above, the Pendos are actually 140mph trains limited by the signalling. PUG2 would probably cost much less than HS2 and could be ready sooner, but replacing 140mph trains with 125mph ones is a harder sell...

 

Hmm, must build an InterCity 250 for myself.

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PUG2 might cost less, but trying to fit 140mph pendo's onto the WCML with the number of trains using it would be impossible. But there is the possibility of using the pendo's on HS2 if the paths can be found to allow the slower trains on the new high speed line.

 

Of course, if the line is ready before the trains, you could divert the pendo's onto the new line, and when the new line finally reaches the final length, then introduce the new trains allowing the pendo's to resume running on the classic lines (although, by that date the pendo's themselves will be getting old and near replacemen).

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Forgive me for not reading the linked document fully - Surely it means they'll take slightly longer between Litchfield and Glasgow, but remain faster between London and Glasgow overall?

I have ploughed through the whole thing now and it isn’t clear to me whether it means London–Glasgow or Litchfield–Glasgow.

 

I fear I’m guilty of reading willjmitchell’s post to mean London–Glasgow, which he didn’t actually say. Very sloppy on my part. Apologies. Do you think I could get a job in DfT or HS2 Ltd.?

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They can't build HS2 to a different loading gauge to the rest of the WCML as otherwise they couldn't run any through trains north of where HS2 stops, wherever that may be.

 

It seems to me that they're doing their HS2 thing come what may, just because they think they can, without thinking of the larger consequences.  

 

Most unusual for a Government, I DON'T think!

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i wonder if it would have been a major expense to have enlarged the loading gauge of the WCML, then the ECML, to the Continental standard when bridges were being rebuilt for electrification all those years ago. Then HS1 could have been built to that gauge, followed by the GWML and HS2. By now we could be contemplating a network of the principal main lines built to that loading gauge.

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They can't build HS2 to a different loading gauge to the rest of the WCML as otherwise they couldn't run any through trains north of where HS2 stops, wherever that may be.

 

I don't see why not. I think it should be built to UIC loading gauge. Of course they can run through trains provided they are within the WCML loading gauge.  In the future isfHS2 is ever extended north, the extension can also be to UIC gauge and eventually we would have a UIC gauge line all the way to Glasgow/Edinburgh.

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Lots of possible solutions. Employ porters to fish little old ladies and gentlemen out of the gap they didn’t mind, for example. More kindly, a step or flap which folds down as the doors open. Perhaps a cantilevered extension to the platforms which could be removed easily when no longer needed.

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Just had a sound demo by legobiffoman at Doncaster show... One feature you didn't mention was the smoke generator as the model blew up haha

 

Nb. Coupling up on live dcc track not recommended!

 

Red faces from the Legomanbiffo Team at Doncaster yesterday, our pre-production sample we have been using for speaker & sound testing had issues yesterday, the issue was solved by us this morning by putting back in the Rapido speaker which we had removed to trial a range of new speakers we have been trying in this model to enhance the different frequences of this unique train.  The speaker in the power car had failed for some reason, but normal service has now resumed and we were only slightly late arriving with the APTe!!

 

The model otherwise ran like a dream, and seemed to be appreciated by all but one guy!  that will teach us to try to be helpful when he asked, 'Oh I have one on order from locomotion, can I see it running please' 

 

Some of today's customers I think might want one IF they are still available, if anyone is interested then get hold of locomotion as they will know if any are still available, roll on the Prototype HST, now where talking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Charlie

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Situation normal for the real thing Charlie, sometimes one whole Power Car would stop working. The turbines, APU and all the electrical stuff would shut down and we'd have to drag the darn thing with the other Power Car for a while until we'd sorted it out.  :D

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I have ploughed through the whole thing now and it isn’t clear to me whether it means London–Glasgow or Litchfield–Glasgow.

 

I fear I’m guilty of reading willjmitchell’s post to mean London–Glasgow, which he didn’t actually say. Very sloppy on my part. Apologies. Do you think I could get a job in DfT or HS2 Ltd.?

Agree the document isn't clear, probably deliberately so because isn't it embarrassing that 60 billion is being spent on a new line and we still might not match the APT's record for London to Glasgow.

 

This is why we need a new APT that can run at 250mph on HS2 and subsequently tilt its way up to Glasgow on the WCML.

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