bubbles2 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Yes, I noticed them. Part of the problem (don’t mention it to Jason or he’ll bend your ears for an hour) is the second radius curves it has been bulit to negotiate. Given that the fairings are solid, I don’t know how else it could have been done. I can remember many years ago I owned a Minitrains 009 steam railcar http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=minitrains+steam+railcar&view=detailv2&&id=62B7ED4F450B22ADEAE4FE5242C659CCF1C7B766&selectedIndex=1&ccid=LwIVys5g&simid=608016427692330452&thid=OIP.M2f0215cace60a581a4a546e5c487d16eo0&ajaxhist=0 which was articulated and designed to negotiate narrow gauge curves, that managed to sort of sleeve one part into the other and thus reduce the gap but I guess this would have been difficult to achieve with tilt as well. Too late now I know but just a thought. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidobill Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 We had a controller that didn't have many functions on (basically we didn't know how to use it either - hence the horn at the beginning of the video!) Do I have to come over and show you how to use it? ;>) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Yes, I noticed them. Part of the problem (don’t mention it to Jason or he’ll bend your ears for an hour) is the second radius curves it has been bulit to negotiate. Given that the fairings are solid, I don’t know how else it could have been done. They could have made it so it wouldn't go round train set curves, so that only people with decent radius curves could use it! That would have been something else to moan about. Cheers Shane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) I can remember many years ago I owned a Minitrains 009 steam railcar http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=minitrains+steam+railcar&view=detailv2&&id=62B7ED4F450B22ADEAE4FE5242C659CCF1C7B766&selectedIndex=1&ccid=LwIVys5g&simid=608016427692330452&thid=OIP.M2f0215cace60a581a4a546e5c487d16eo0&ajaxhist=0 which was articulated and designed to negotiate narrow gauge curves, that managed to sort of sleeve one part into the other and thus reduce the gap but I guess this would have been difficult to achieve with tilt as well. Too late now I know but just a thought. The Joint Modules on E-Train were never overlapped by any part of the Power Cars or Trailer Cars, so if the model had been built so it did overlap it would have been just as inaccurate as having (temporary) large gaps. Considering that the real thing is mind-bogglingly complex I reckon Bill, Jason and Co have done a remarkable job. And yes, I KNOW I'm biased, but it's difficult to come to any other conclusion. Edited March 4, 2016 by Mr_Tilt 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 47137 Posted March 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 4, 2016 What is a train set radius curve? What is the threshold and why? - Richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted March 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 4, 2016 What is a train set radius curve? What is the threshold and why? - Richard. Simply put its any radius curve that comes with a train set. Generally 1st, 2nd & 3rd radius. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyboy Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 In light of recent Bachmann innovations are Rapido going to have the option of 4mm Scale BR Engineers in flares and kipper ties fitted inside it? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted March 4, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2016 Kit and friends please form an orderly queue by the scanner. Cue debate on the colour of clothes suitable for the period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted March 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 4, 2016 Kit and friends please form an orderly queue by the scanner. Cue debate on the colour of clothes suitable for the period. And no airbrushing to roll back the years... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 4, 2016 Kit and friends please form an orderly queue by the scanner. Cue debate on the colour of clothes suitable for the period. And the width of the flares............. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) There's a pic of me and my mega-flares elsewhere in this thread, and I still have one my kipper ties of the period! What I DON'T have is the Marsha Hunt hair any more! There are moves afoot to make 3D models of me and some of the TC2 crew, have no fear...... Here's another one of the time, you can see the kipper tie very clearly, but only the top half of the flares. Hmm, looking at it more clearly I'm actually wearing a cravat in that pic, another long gone fashion of the times. Edited March 4, 2016 by Mr_Tilt 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 It looks like an exert from an open university program (if only they had made one on the APT-E) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) It looks like an exert from an open university program (if only they had made one on the APT-E) They did, it's called 'E for Experimental' and in theory you can see it here :- http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f16_1314673094 but I'm darned it it will run for me. What Trevor Easton and I are discussing there is how long we needed to flush the tilt system pipework with that hefty flushing trolley we're resting on. We decided on 2 hours actually. Edited March 4, 2016 by Mr_Tilt 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted March 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 4, 2016 They did, it's called 'E for Experimental' and in theory you can see it here :- http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f16_1314673094 but I'm darned it it will run for me. What Trevor Easton and I are discussing there is how long we needed to flush the tilt system pipework with that hefty flushing trolley we're resting on. We decided on 2 hours actually. I can't get it to run either... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted March 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 4, 2016 Just home from a RCTS meeting which had a digital slideshow on The Blue Diesel Locomotive Period. Two slides stood out for me. First a Western arriving at Derby on a service train from the south; second (and relevant here) the APT-E departing from Derby to Duffield on its first ever mainline run. Nice, looking forward to receiving my model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Just home from a RCTS meeting which had a digital slideshow on The Blue Diesel Locomotive Period. Two slides stood out for me. First a Western arriving at Derby on a service train from the south; second (and relevant here) the APT-E departing from Derby to Duffield on its first ever mainline run. Nice, looking forward to receiving my model. You'll have seen the short-lived rubber diaphragms between the vehicle bodies and the Joint Modules then. They didn't last further than about mid-way down the platforms at Derby Midland, sad to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 I can't get it to run either... Nor I. However, it was accompanied by an advertisement asking if I liked sexy Asian women. I bet the Blue Pullman is the devil of a sight cheaper than one of those. Then there’s the upkeep. A little drop of electrolube and a little spark of electricity is all you need once you’ve paid for the BP, APT-E and Stirling single. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles2 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 (edited) The Joint Modules on E-Train were never overlapped by any part of the Power Cars or Trailer Cars, so if the model had been built so it did overlap it would have been just as inaccurate as having (temporary) large gaps. Considering that the real thing is mind-bogglingly complex I reckon Bill, Jason and Co have done a remarkable job. And yes, I KNOW I'm biased, but it's difficult to come to any other conclusion. Thanks for your reply Kit. I see in your post no.1721 you mention the rubber diaphrams not lasting long on the first run, I'm interested just how much of a gap was caused by the articulation of the coaches and the joint modules. Yes I agree Bill, Jason and their team have done a great job and I'm looking forward to receiving my model, hopefully it will look good traversing my mostly 5 foot radii curves although I do wonder how it will look negotiating point work. The real thing must have been quite drafty if those gaps were not sealed. Edited March 5, 2016 by bubbles2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted March 5, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 5, 2016 I can't get it to run either... Worked for me on Android. Very interesting it is too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymw Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 (edited) works ok in firefox - the rotating 'buffering symbol' goes on for a while, but click on it and then the play arrow appears, and then it will play - at least for me. edit - it nneds 'flash player', which is becoming unpopular with many web browsers. Edited March 5, 2016 by raymw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted March 5, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 5, 2016 Simply put its any radius curve that comes with a train set. Generally 1st, 2nd & 3rd radius. Its worth noting that most RTR manufacturers have settled on 2nd radius being the minimum recommended for most models they produce and as such 1st radius curves tend only to be found on 'starter sets' (i.e. the ones with an 0-4-0 tank engine and a few wagons). While specifying a larger minimum radius would make life easier in design terms and allow more detail, it is a fact that doing so excludes a fairly large chunk of your prospective buyers who through space considerations, etc. who use 2nd radius curves. Thus Rapido have felt it necessary to ensure that their APT-E also complies with the '2nd radius' minimum spec while not compromising on the detail - which results in some pretty big gaps and overhangs if used on such curves. However the good news is if you have the space to install prototypical curves the large gaps reduce and the model looks far better. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 47137 Posted March 5, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 5, 2016 Its worth noting that most RTR manufacturers have settled on 2nd radius being the minimum recommended for most models they produce and as such 1st radius curves tend only to be found on 'starter sets' (i.e. the ones with an 0-4-0 tank engine and a few wagons). While specifying a larger minimum radius would make life easier in design terms and allow more detail, it is a fact that doing so excludes a fairly large chunk of your prospective buyers who through space considerations, etc. who use 2nd radius curves. Thus Rapido have felt it necessary to ensure that their APT-E also complies with the '2nd radius' minimum spec while not compromising on the detail - which results in some pretty big gaps and overhangs if used on such curves. However the good news is if you have the space to install prototypical curves the large gaps reduce and the model looks far better. Thanks for this. On topics to do with trackwork, I've had the term "train set curves" rather thrown at me and the implication was very much this was a derogatory term. To my mind, if the term is to be useful as a parameter for stock it can only to refer to one radius, which is a minimum - and for me this is the Hornby "radius 2" because as far as I know, all RTR will go round this though sometimes you must omit optional detail fittings. I do appreciate the need for the radius 1 on the smaller sets so I guess the term must remain dimensionally ambiguous for the time being. I am very much looking forward to my own APT-E when the time arrives. I suspect it won't fit my layout because of the overhand of the nose, but I surprised myself a while ago with what the Roco close coupling mechanisms can achieve and I expect the Rapido mechanism will be just as good or better. - Richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted March 5, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 5, 2016 (edited) Just tried again this morning, and now it's playing... Edited March 5, 2016 by Ian J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Just tried again this morning, and now it's playing... Same here and I didn’t do anything! Perhaps too many of us were trying. Super film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willjmitchell Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 the video suggests there are lots of benefits to articulation and sharing a common bogie across two carraiges. i wonder why it's not more common? the only example I know of is the TGV. also, why did the joint module design of the E train not make it into the P train? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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