lyneux Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Shapeways is not a "part copying" service but a printing service. You'd need to 3D scan the part or produce a CAD drawing first before getting it printed. If it's just part-copying that you are interested in then no need to go down the 3D printing route: just try resin casting. HTH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Please explain http://www.shapeways.com/?sem=sem&gp=gp&Google_Search_Gamma_Brand_Revenue_NonEnglish_NV=Google_Search_Gamma_Brand_Revenue_NonEnglish_NV&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CM-hweWt4sgCFed92wodMdkAPw Shapways is just a printing facility. You'll need to use one of the 3d design programmes to design the object, then send the data files to Shapeways, who will then print it for you. They won't design something for you. It might be worth asking Jason if he could make the data that he has got for the interior available so someone could modify it to give the full coach interior. Luke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted October 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 27, 2015 Thanks Lyneux and Luke. Posts 1254 and 1255 were informative. Post 1252 was not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 It might be worth asking Jason if he could make the data that he has got for the interior available so someone could modify it to give the full coach interior. The CAD is Rapido's intellectual property so I don't think we should really be pressuring them to release it to 3rd parties. I honestly think resin casting is the way to go here for the small number of interiors required. If you've never done it before, now is the chance to learn! Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidobill Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) Those rivets look fabulous, very well done, its just the paint that's too course! It's too sparkly, it needs to be a lot flatter. cheers I should probably have pointed out that this was painted using whatever they had in the paint gun at the time.... I just wanted to make sure that the rivets didn't disappear under the paint! Also, they were photographed outside in sunlight which tends to accentuate any metal flake in the paint. The decorated units will be closer to the earlier samples seen here: Bill Edited October 27, 2015 by rapidobill 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I should probably have pointed out that this was painted using whatever they had in the paint gun at the time.... I just wanted to make sure that the rivets didn't disappear under the paint! Also, they were photographed outside in sunlight which tends to accentuate any metal flake in the paint. The decorated units will be closer to the earlier samples seen here: Bill Nice layout Cheers Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Phil Parker Posted October 27, 2015 Administrators Share Posted October 27, 2015 The CAD is Rapido's intellectual property so I don't think we should really be pressuring them to release it to 3rd parties. I honestly think resin casting is the way to go here for the small number of interiors required. If you've never done it before, now is the chance to learn! Guy I'd agree with you about resin casting - it's likely to be far cheaper than 3D printing too. A few years ago, when the Airfix pontoon bridge was unavailable, I cast a few copies for a project I was working on. Details on my blog: Making the mould: http://philsworkbench.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/resin-casting-part-1-making-mould.html Making the castings: http://philsworkbench.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/resin-casting-part-2-making-castings.html If you want to sell them, you'll need approval from whoever owns the masters (Locomotion?) but they might be happy to do this. However, my understanding is that you can copy something like this for yourself so just take your APT apart and get the mould gunk out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidobill Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Nice layout Cheers Bill Well, we didn't have too many choices, so went with the first one that we could find... ;>) Seriously, LOVE the layout, one of my favorites. Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 If you made your own seating units to fit, and then cast them in resin, no copyright or intellectual property would be stolen. Is that right? Cheers Shane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Phil Parker Posted October 27, 2015 Administrators Share Posted October 27, 2015 If you made your own seating units to fit, and then cast them in resin, no copyright or intellectual property would be stolen. Is that right? Cheers Shane That's my understanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 If you made your own seating units to fit, and then cast them in resin, no copyright or intellectual property would be stolen. Is that right? Cheers Shane I can almost read your mind Shane. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 You know me too well Kit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 The CAD is Rapido's intellectual property so I don't think we should really be pressuring them to release it to 3rd parties. I honestly think resin casting is the way to go here for the small number of interiors required. If you've never done it before, now is the chance to learn! Guy I wasn't suggesting "pressurising" anyone ore stealing from anyone either. I suggested we "ask" Jason. He might say yes. Who knows he might even approve? They could easly keep the CAD data and let someone like Shapeway print it for those of us who are interested, paying the relevant cots to Rapido / Shapeway. Just an option. Luke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Henriksen Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I wasn't suggesting "pressurising" anyone ore stealing from anyone either. I suggested we "ask" Jason. He might say yes. Who knows he might even approve? They could easly keep the CAD data and let someone like Shapeway print it for those of us who are interested, paying the relevant cots to Rapido / Shapeway. Just an option. Luke The CAD files that Rapido will have will not be suitable for Shapeways, someone would need to make a custom file for Shapeways using the CAD data. Given that Shapeways can apparently be temperamental, and the quality can change change depending on how an item is printed on any given day, I can't see any manufacturer wanting to do it. It won't hurt to ask, I could be wrong, but again given that it is a Locomotion model it would be them and not Rapido that you would have to approach I would think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted October 28, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) The CAD files that Rapido will have will not be suitable for Shapeways, someone would need to make a custom file for Shapeways using the CAD data. Converting Rapido's CAD into something that Shapeways can use is just a case of exporting the data in the right format. The N Gauge Pendolino that Rapido are producing for Revolution Trains has been 3d printed (although not using Shapeways) prove that it's possible to get a 3d print from Rapido's CAD files. Happy modelling. Steven B. Edited October 28, 2015 by Steven B 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted October 28, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 28, 2015 Given that the CAD files represent a significant part of the higher value expertise that sits behind a model and some of the most significant IPR of any model manufacturer why would they ever release those files or agree to let anybody else use them? And reverse engineering a resin mould from a body shell bought in a shop (as kit car manufacturers do, although some destroy a hire car to do the same) is a violation of IPR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted October 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 28, 2015 Oh Bu&&$r. I'll just stick some old Tri-ang Mk 1 interiors in the trailer coaches and give them a big dollop of blue paint and it will do rightly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha230 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Will the model have silver effect windows like the real thing, or clear or tinted windows ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) Will the model have silver effect windows like the real thing, or clear or tinted windows ? Only TC2 has the reflective coating on the windows, TC1 has normal glass in both the VIP compartment and the storage area. I don't know what Jason & Co. have in mind for the final production model but Paul and I mentioned that if TC2's windows were as reflective as the real thing all the lovely interior detail, including the cheese sandwich door stop, would be invisible... Edited November 1, 2015 by Mr_Tilt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted November 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 1, 2015 How will we be able to see the flashing lights? Mind you reflective widows overcomes the issue of interiors discussed above unless of course if there is internal lighting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted November 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) IMHO if the windows were fitted with reflective film it would make them look toy like despite it being prototypical. So my vote would be for clear or tinted. Edited November 2, 2015 by roundhouse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukebox Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 How will we be able to see the flashing lights? Mind you reflective widows overcomes the issue of interiors discussed above unless of course if there is internal lighting. So if all those reflective widows were dressed in black, they would object to bright interior lighting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 How will we be able to see the flashing lights? Mind you reflective widows overcomes the issue of interiors discussed above unless of course if there is internal lighting. I'm a bit bothered about the flashing lights. I know it's a bit of fun but, like a joke, it could wear a bit thin in time and they aren't true to prototype. Apart from that, so far as I'm concerned, the project seems to be turning out very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted November 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2015 I presume there will be a way to isolate the flashing lights either by a switch or using wire cutters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I presume there will be a way to isolate the flashing lights either by a switch or using wire cutters. I think I'd still like to have the lights - I'd just want to isolate the flasher turn the flashing off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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