55012 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 The retailer with my order contacted Dapol after the message about them being delayed and was told they expect to have them for Warley! Wonder what the truth is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter220950 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 But they didn't say which year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted October 17, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 17, 2014 It will not be this year! According to the Tower Models website, the first Terriers are now due 'around January' With other liveries 'early 2015'. Anyone really wanting a budget Terrier before then is advised to try the Alphagraphics card kit, a good static version can be made in a choice of liveries Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Emily Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Bah! I had a southern one on order for Christmas for my Father. I guess he'll have to push his wagons around by hand until the new year then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnought05 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I've not read the whole thread so it may be known already, but Dapol have said on their Facebook page that the Terrier will have firebox glow, "on all models ... and it looks very nice too :)" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted November 4, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2014 Sounds like the old Hornby 8F! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Where's the 08???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Wrong thread Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Is it?? Must be lost then! Like me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Found it here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/56577-o-gauge-08-delayed-to-next-year/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mike Bellamy Posted November 24, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2014 Surprised that no one has commented yet on the beautifully decorated yellow Terrier (Brighton) that was on display at the NEC Photos in post #260 on this page http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/92766-news-from-warley-2014/page-11 . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Or on the Tower Models web site. Scroll down a bit to find it.http://www.tower-models.com/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthesnail96 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) No idea on accuracy, and there's a few prominent mould lines on the pipework- but it looks so lovely in that livery I think a lot of people will be more than happy to overlook a few foibles of detail (if, indeed, there are any!). I'm trying to work out how I can justify getting one into a 1960's tar distillers... Edited November 24, 2014 by brianthesnail96 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted November 24, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) There are some details not quite right*, but it does look very tempting and certainly isn't the somewhat inaccurate compromise the OO version was. Oh, and to link to a post directly, just right click the number of the post in the right hand side of the post title bar and it'll allow the copying of the link location from there - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/92766-news-from-warley-2014/page-11&do=findComment&comment=1674996 *one I've noticed is the centre wheel weight shape isn't right, it should have a slight taper towards the ends, but it's hardly a deal breaker as far as I'm concerned, especially when the low price is taken into account. Edited November 24, 2014 by Ian J. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted November 25, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 25, 2014 The sample Terrier looks very good indeed, with exquisite lining. Bar the odd wavy handrail, and the bunkerside numberplate and sandbox worksplate which the real one had, which will probably be etched add-ons. If it runs as well as it looks (no reason not to with 5-pole motor) these should be a hit when they finally arrive....next year. Will I stick to my resolve to wait for the blue K&ESR one? Nowhere to run anything here yet, so it would be a very pretty static model for a while. Finding appropriate stock to run with the 1870's era loco will be an interesting challenge for RTR buyers. I started a plasticard 'kit' for a balloon brake end near two years ago and completed one side so far. Modelling light railways has advantages! Dava 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnought05 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Dapol have just updated their official site with the specs of the Terrier http://Dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=information%2Fnews&news_id=107#.VHSujIusVhh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 They appear to be selling direct which Hornby got slagged off for. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrianbs Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Hi All. I have discussed this post with Andy York and he has agreed that my findings are of sufficient value to be posted and has unbarred me from the topic. There is no doubt other contributors will disagree and try to discredit me. I have therefore agreed that I will not bang on till your ear drums bleed and you wish to stick pins in your eyes nor will I be provoked, so don’t waste your time and forum space. Intelligent and useful points may well be answered politely, the rest ignored. I do not anticipate any alterations to the models as Dapol have not replied to these points. As I have three locos on order and would like to try to upgrade them I will investigate the possibility of new toolbox mouldings and the production of transfer sheets of matching lining to rectify the worst of the errors with some instructions as to how to alter some of the other points. This can only be started once I have a production sample so do not enquire for some time. The worst fault is probably the rear toolbox which is nothing like Brighton or Thames would have had in the original Stroudley condition or indeed at any other period. It seems to be a straight scale up from the original Dapol 4mm model and N gauge version. Originally the boxes were much wider, just less than the width between buffer centres so that the lamps could be fitted to the brackets, and they were tight against the upward buffer beam extensions. They were also slightly taller and with much shallower sloping lids in most cases although some were steeper but nowhere near as steep as the model. When locos were Motor fitted they were cut back slightly to avoid the castings fitted behind the raised buffers. The next fault is that Terriers until 1897 had NO Westinghouse pumps at all and when fitted they were much lower down, just above the footplate and with very different plumbing. Considerable ingenuity would be needed to correct this. Probably the next worst error would be the contours of the domed roof assuming it has not been changed. The Warley images do not unfortunately show this. Again this seems to be a carry over from the 4mm version. At the early period portrayed the coupling hook pockets were not present on the buffer beam. In the Stroudley era the lubricator boxes as shown on the tank fronts were not fitted The smokebox door hinge straps look well out of scale being too far apart and undersize The tankside unfortunately has the later 4 additional bolts, not on locos at this period and because of the lining will be difficult to remove without damaging the paintwork. The handrail knobs on the tank tops are much too tall and should be little more than half the height. This seems to throw out the handrail alignment somewhat. Without better photos I cannot see if the shape of the plate supporting the tanks has been altered or the bolts, holding the pannier tanks on, are now of adequate size. As noted by someone else, the balance weights on the centre drivers are not really the correct shape. There are other minor errors and no doubt ones I have not spotted as I do not have a sample to check like others have had, although they have either not noticed the errors or have been ignored, as in the past. If you can see others, do comment, I am not the all-seeing expert . Dapol has posted that there are some small tweaks still to be done but what they are is not stated. I have no idea when the model is due for release and it does seem that in spite of promises by Joel and Richard, once again a seriously flawed model may appear as it is due very soon. Regards all adrianbs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 The next fault is that Terriers until 1897 had NO Westinghouse pumps at all and when fitted they were much lower down, just above the footplate and with very different plumbing. Considerable ingenuity would be needed to correct this. Probably the next worst error would be the contours of the domed roof assuming it has not been changed. The Warley images do not unfortunately show this. Again this seems to be a carry over from the 4mm version. At the early period portrayed the coupling hook pockets were not present on the buffer beam. I don't want to get drawn into a war of words, but, according to Bradley, Westinghouse pumps were fitted to the batches of Terriers built from 1878, which included Brighton, and the earlier ones were retro-fitted by 1882. If you are looking at this early era, then consideration should be made regarding the balancing pipe that the first batch were fitted with, connecting the two side tanks over the boiler. Regarding the roof profile and other details, I got the distinct impression when I wrote to Dapol several years ago regarding some of the flaws in their 2mm version that they considered they had done enough research for the 4mm one, and nothing was going to shift them from merely reproducing the OO model to the smaller scale. At least they seem to have had another look at some of the different details this time round, but, it would appear, not all. I am intrigued by the "coupling hook pockets" - I am afraid I don't know what that means, and the sample photos are not clear enough to show me what they look like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Hi All. I have discussed this post with Andy York and he has agreed that my findings are of sufficient value to be posted and has unbarred me from the topic. There is no doubt other contributors will disagree and try to discredit me. I have therefore agreed that I will not bang on till your ear drums bleed and you wish to stick pins in your eyes nor will I be provoked, so don’t waste your time and forum space. Intelligent and useful points may well be answered politely, the rest ignored. I do not anticipate any alterations to the models as Dapol have not replied to these points. As I have three locos on order and would like to try to upgrade them I will investigate the possibility of new toolbox mouldings and the production of transfer sheets of matching lining to rectify the worst of the errors with some instructions as to how to alter some of the other points. This can only be started once I have a production sample so do not enquire for some time. The worst fault is probably the rear toolbox which is nothing like Brighton or Thames would have had in the original Stroudley condition or indeed at any other period. It seems to be a straight scale up from the original Dapol 4mm model and N gauge version. Originally the boxes were much wider, just less than the width between buffer centres so that the lamps could be fitted to the brackets, and they were tight against the upward buffer beam extensions. They were also slightly taller and with much shallower sloping lids in most cases although some were steeper but nowhere near as steep as the model. When locos were Motor fitted they were cut back slightly to avoid the castings fitted behind the raised buffers. The next fault is that Terriers until 1897 had NO Westinghouse pumps at all and when fitted they were much lower down, just above the footplate and with very different plumbing. Considerable ingenuity would be needed to correct this. Probably the next worst error would be the contours of the domed roof assuming it has not been changed. The Warley images do not unfortunately show this. Again this seems to be a carry over from the 4mm version. At the early period portrayed the coupling hook pockets were not present on the buffer beam. In the Stroudley era the lubricator boxes as shown on the tank fronts were not fitted The smokebox door hinge straps look well out of scale being too far apart and undersize The tankside unfortunately has the later 4 additional bolts, not on locos at this period and because of the lining will be difficult to remove without damaging the paintwork. The handrail knobs on the tank tops are much too tall and should be little more than half the height. This seems to throw out the handrail alignment somewhat. Without better photos I cannot see if the shape of the plate supporting the tanks has been altered or the bolts, holding the pannier tanks on, are now of adequate size. As noted by someone else, the balance weights on the centre drivers are not really the correct shape. There are other minor errors and no doubt ones I have not spotted as I do not have a sample to check like others have had, although they have either not noticed the errors or have been ignored, as in the past. If you can see others, do comment, I am not the all-seeing expert . Dapol has posted that there are some small tweaks still to be done but what they are is not stated. I have no idea when the model is due for release and it does seem that in spite of promises by Joel and Richard, once again a seriously flawed model may appear as it is due very soon. Regards all adrianbs Is that all? Well, for £199 I think that's amazing. I'm off to order a couple - thanks for the heads up! Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWCR Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 "Brighton" was indeed Westinghouse fitted from new. (1878) It attended the Paris Exhibition in 1878 being awarded a Gold Medal for its design and construction. Whilst in France it was used to demonstrate the Air Brake to the French by the Westinghouse Brake Company. My understanding is that the locomotive originally intended for this had failed and Stroudley was asked by Westinghouse for permission to use "Brighton" in its place, this was duly granted. A Terrier was chosen for the Paris Exhibition due to its low weight for shipping, the name "Brighton" was specifically allocated as the Exhibition engine otherwise this would have likely been used on a more prestigous class of loco. 136 years on "Brighton" is still running (now as W11 "Newport") and still Westinghouse fitted. Pete 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrianbs Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Hi All Thanks for the correction Nick, sorry about the typo somehow 1878 became 1897 , No idea how as I knew it was only 5 or 6 years after the first batch that the later batches were built with pumps and the others were retrofitted from then on as they passed through works. Proves i'm fallible anyway just as I said, and an awful typist as well. I call the blocks around the coupling hook "pockets" as do others but there is probably a correct term. The steam transfer pipes in front of the cab were removed fairly early on and Brighton and Thames would never have had them as it appears only the first batch of 6 were so fitted. I am not sure how the surplus steam reached the other tank to be returned to the chimney via the other condensing pipe after the connection was removed however. Regards adrianbs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Western Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Direct from Dapol, due (1st batch) April/May (2nd batch) approx six weeks later ! Great Western Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthesnail96 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Mine may well end up named "Achilles" Seriously though, it does sound like they are pretty close, the date is getting steadily closer... I've already decided that I'll give in to temptation, I just need to decide if I'm patient enough to wait for a sound one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Just waiting for the IOW version then I'll place my order.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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