Sheffield Exchange, Toy trains, music and fun!

[Clive Mortimore]

37 minutes ago, Bloodnok said:

She's an American, so it'll be a reference to the truck manufacturer currently known as Freightliner, but formerly known as White Freightliner.

Are you sure White Freightliner, is about the truck company? Townes Van Zandt who wrote it also had a friend called codine as mentioned in this song of his.

 

Edited May 11, 2023 by Clive Mortimore

[woodenhead]

There is also Shrimp Song where later in life he was introduced to a blue pill

[Bloodnok]

7 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Are you sure White Freightliner, is about the truck company? Townes Van Zandt who wrote it also had a friend called codine as mentioned in this song of his.

 

The first line of the lyrics for "White Freightliner Blues" is:

"I'm going out on the highway, listen to them big trucks whine"

"White Freightliner" being one of the major manufacturers of the big trucks found on highways in the USA is not a random coincidence. It's clearly an intentional reference.

It's definitely not a reference to the (unconnected) UK Freightliner company, which most Americans have never heard of.

Note that I'm not ruling out other layered references using slang meanings of the words -- good songs work on several levels, and I'm sure this is no exception.

[Clive Mortimore]

 

[woodenhead]

And it's not a happy song despite what the lyrics might suggest....

 

Tiananmen Square aftermath

Edited May 12, 2023 by woodenhead

[Clive Mortimore]

17 hours ago, Bloodnok said:

The first line of the lyrics for "White Freightliner Blues" is:

"I'm going out on the highway, listen to them big trucks whine"

"White Freightliner" being one of the major manufacturers of the big trucks found on highways in the USA is not a random coincidence. It's clearly an intentional reference.

It's definitely not a reference to the (unconnected) UK Freightliner company, which most Americans have never heard of.

Note that I'm not ruling out other layered references using slang meanings of the words -- good songs work on several levels, and I'm sure this is no exception.

They would know about Brookfield Infrastructure Partners aka  Genesee & Wyoming and all the small lines it owns and operates

 

A Santa Fe rebuild of a EMD F7 to a CF7 hood unit.

 

Even some First Fleeters might know about them

 

And continental Europeans might have heard about them.

 

That Bumble Bee livery gets everywhere.

 

[Northmoor]

2 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

 

Thanks Clive, this song takes me back to the halls at Poly in 1991-2, when "Out of Time" had just come out and someone on my corridor played it every day for what seemed like months.  Kate Pierson has always had an amazing voice, no-one else sounds remotely quite like her.

[Clive Mortimore]

Mexico is in the house

 

[Clive Mortimore]

And more from Mexico, the lovey Warning sister's brand new song

 

[Mallard60022]

Sure I saw about 5 of these on a Train through Sante Fe Junction Cam (Kansas City) a couple of days back.

What's a 'Hood Unit'?

[Clive Mortimore]

1 hour ago, Mallard60022 said:

Sure I saw about 5 of these on a Train through Sante Fe Junction Cam (Kansas City) a couple of days back.

What's a 'Hood Unit'?

 

A "hood Unit" is a locomotive that looks like this EMD GP7

 

As opposed to a "Car Body" locomotive which looks like this EMD F7.

The GP7 and F7 were basically the same inside, same engine, generator, traction motors , bogies etc.

 

Santa Fe Railroad rebuilt a lot of its F7s into "Hood Units" to make the GF7 which look similar to GP7s but with a funny shaped cab.

 

EMD also made these BL2 which again had the same basic inners as the GP and F units. But weren't either "Car Body" or "Hood" Units. Santa Fe wasn't daft enough to buy any.

 

Edited May 12, 2023 by Clive Mortimore

[john new]

If we are asking about US nick names.  What are War Bonnet types? Are they the ones with the sticky out ‘ears’ behind the cab?

[Clive Mortimore]

Just now, john new said:

If we are asking about US nick names.  What are War Bonnet types? Are they the ones with the sticky out ‘ears’ behind the cab?

"War Bonnet" was a livery style, as used by Santa Fe and Delaware and Hudson used a similar livery which is sometimes called "War Bonnet"

 

A Santa Fe Alco PA 1

 

A D&H Alco PA 4

[Northmoor]

20 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said:

 

 

American diesels have almost always prioritised function over form but the F7 in Santa Fe silver, yellow & red livery is probably still the best-looking US diesel ever built.

[Clive Mortimore]

14 minutes ago, Northmoor said:

American diesels have almost always prioritised function over form but the F7 in Santa Fe silver, yellow & red livery is probably still the best-looking US diesel ever built.

 

We can all have our favorites.

 

EMD SD45-2

 

Alco C424

 

GE U33C

Fairbanks Morse Train Master H24-66 with a rebuilt Baldwin slug.

[Clive Mortimore]

On 10/05/2023 at 22:03, Clive Mortimore said:

Meanwhile on the other side of the planet

 

I am getting into this band in a big way

 

[Clive Mortimore]

And more

 

 

[Waveydavey]

I only drop into this thread occasionally but if there’s going to be talk of Triang/Trix hybrid class 126 DMUs and early Ultravox/John Foxx I’m going to have to drop in more often.

[Bloodnok]

18 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

They would know about Brookfield Infrastructure Partners aka  Genesee & Wyoming and all the small lines it owns and operates

 

Yes, they absolutely would know about Genesee & Wyoming. But they wouldn't know that one of those shortlines it operates is called Freightliner.
 

18 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Even some First Fleeters might know about them

 

Ah, now Freightliner *is* known about down there, because they got *actual* freighliner, not just G&W:
 

 

[30368]

10 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

I am getting into this band in a big way

 

Clive,

 

This must be an AI creation!

This has to be an elaborate Capitalist Paper Tiger plot to overthrow the wonderful workers paradise that is North Korea! Is it real? I have not had such a good laugh for ages, even Mrs B fell about laughing. Brill stuff Sir.

 

Another way of looking at it is that the North Korean's have a very sophisticated sense of humour, perhaps there is hope?

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

[Clive Mortimore]

I have had comments, said politely, about the length or lack off of the platforms of Sheffield Exchange. Using the 1954 LMR Central Division Loads of Passenger Trains book I will demonstrate why they are nearly correct. I will also be using the @St Enodoc rule of 6/10ths as a back up. 

 

Sheffield Exchange is based on the idea that the L&YR and GNR built a joint station in Sheffield, like they did in Bradford and Leeds. Like both their West Yorkshire stations the climb out of Sheffield Exchange would be difficult, as explained to me by @Enterprisingwestern a couple of years ago. Therefore it can be assumed the train loadings would be similar.

 

I worked out the number of coaches per power class of loco by dividing the load by following the procedures laid down in this document.

 

Lastly and this where the Sainty 6/10ths formula comes into play, the platform lengths.

 

 

I have used the Up train loads on the assumption that a heavier Down train coming in would too heavy to make the return Up journey.

 

Notes

 

Special rules for Sheffield Exchange class 7 locomotives when hauling a train with dining car with kitchen are restricted to 7 coaches and class 6 locomotives to 6 coaches. Buffet and Cafeteria cars are counted the same as ordinary coaches.

 

Locomotives hauling empty stock to the nearby carriage sidings can take one more coach than their stated load.

 

Class 4 locomotives are restricted to 5 gangwayed coaches or 6 non gangwayed, when I divided the load of 170 by 30 it came out as 5.66 so I rounded up for non-gangway and down for gangway.

 

I hope this shows that the platforms at Sheffield Exchange while looking short are so because of the train loads.

[Clive Mortimore]

I can hear people shouting "What about diesel train loads".

 

A type 2 diesel is equal to a class five steam loco.

A type 3 diesel is equal to a class six steam loco.

A type 4 diesel is equal to a class seven steam loco.

Edited May 14, 2023 by Clive Mortimore

[woodenhead]

And a type 1 diesel is only equal to a carriage heater

[Clive Mortimore]

35 minutes ago, woodenhead said:

And a type 1 diesel is only equal to a carriage heater

Don't be daft, they ain't got steam generators to warm up the carriages.

 

All Type 1 diesels are freight only and only in emergencies will they be used on passenger trains, and when used they are equal to a class four steam loco.

 

While on the subject of locomotives I have edited the list of classes that appear in the Loads of Passenger Trains books to those which possibly would be seen at Sheffield Exchange during the period of time that I am modelling.

 

[Clive Mortimore]

Notes to the above list of locomotives.

 

In passenger service the LMS class 6 2-6-0s have proved to be good hill climbers but cannot maintain class 6 timings therefore are limited to the same trains and timings of class 5 locomotives.

The LNER class 3 2-6-2T (class V1) have proved to be equal to a class 4 tank engine and therefore can work the same trains and timings as a class 4 locomotive.