Ollie K Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) A question for A4 aficionados: Are there any significant differences between how 4489 Dominion of Canada was restored for the Great Gathering - and was depicted by Hornby - and how it would’ve looked in 1937? Same tender style / access hatches in casing etc? Wondering if there are any giveaways that the model is ‘as preserved’ rather than ‘as built’. Cheers! Edited December 26, 2023 by OliverBytham 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZRedBaron Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) Just as a side note, I had a look recently, and by all accounts the only 'Coronation' A4 that hasn't appeared in LNER livery is Dominion of New Zealand; it's only ever appeared in BR Green- Hornby did it with the Late Crest, and Bachmann did one in the 90's (supposedly a split-chassis version?) with the Early Crest. Edited December 26, 2023 by NZRedBaron 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dominion Posted December 26, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 26, 2023 I would love Union of South Africa in LNER livery. I would have to try to renumber a Hornby model as I don’t think that has been done yet either. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieR4489 Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 1 hour ago, OliverBytham said: how it would’ve looked in 1937? The most obvious difference is that the bell wasn't fitted until March 1938. Other than that the only modifications would be to paint the handrails silver. DoC's were painted blue in 2013 because to take them back to bare metal would have required the removal of the asbestos lagging. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Jamie's on the nose there - all A4s had an extra access panel added below the nameplatein 1938 and yours doesn't have it, so if it is correct it can only be for a fairly short window in 1938. I'd lose the bell. Most models of the loco have it, one without will be more individual. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie K Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 5 hours ago, jwealleans said: Jamie's on the nose there - all A4s had an extra access panel added below the nameplatein 1938 and yours doesn't have it, so if it is correct it can only be for a fairly short window in 1938. I'd lose the bell. Most models of the loco have it, one without will be more individual. Thanks Jonathan, and Jamie. I don't own a DoC - either in the new Dublo guise or one of the previous releases. Tempting though it is to indulge in a new Coronation A4 to haul the forthcoming stock, budget-wise I think renumbering an eBay basket case might be the way forward for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, OliverBytham said: A question for A4 aficionados: Are there any significant differences between how 4489 Dominion of Canada was restored for the Great Gathering - and was depicted by Hornby - and how it would’ve looked in 1937? Same tender style / access hatches in casing etc? Wondering if there are any giveaways that the model is ‘as preserved’ rather than ‘as built’. Cheers! Smokebox top lamp iron is in lower position (they have got it right on this Dublo release, but got it wrong on the GG and GB releases). So its 'as preserved'. I think the handrails were originally burnished stainless steel in 1937- the NRM explained that this could not be restored as it would have involved new handrail brackets, which in turn would have involved removal of the casing and disturbing/removing the asbestos boiler lagging (which was sealed at the start of the restoration, rather than removed). So they were pained blue, as Hornby have modelled them. They do look very nice, but I just don't like the cab front window (too small, because diecast cab roof is thick), and the mould lines along the 2.30 positions on the boiler sides. So unnecessary - there SHOULD be a parting line in the middle of the top where the casing joins, and in the case of the A4, there are no 'inserts' required at the top of the boiler that should need a vertical release part of the tool. then again, just shows how good the original 2004 release was, that 19 years later, no one has actually bettered it, even with a completely new body tool (in this case), nor the rather weird proportions on the Dapol model Edited December 27, 2023 by G-BOAF 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddo Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 On 26/12/2023 at 23:47, NZRedBaron said: Just as a side note, I had a look recently, and by all accounts the only 'Coronation' A4 that hasn't appeared in LNER livery is Dominion of New Zealand; it's only ever appeared in BR Green- Hornby did it with the Late Crest, and Bachmann did one in the 90's (supposedly a split-chassis version?) with the Early Crest. I noted the same so I have ordered a second Commonwealth of Australia which was on sale and will get a set of etched nameplates for it, hopefully the plate lengths will be pretty close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PeterStiles Posted May 13 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 13 1 minute ago, reddo said: of Australia I was under the impression that C of A held the record as the longest nameplate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 On 13/05/2024 at 13:33, PeterStiles said: I was under the impression that C of A held the record as the longest nameplate. Biggest was George Jackson Churchward. Shortened to GJ Churchward as the nameplate was deemed too big. https://www.flickr.com/photos/86020500@N06/8642745961 Not the longest name if you count the letters though as some of the more recent ones had more letters as did some of the regimental names. The Green Howard, etc. is a bit of a long one. https://www.thetransportlibrary.co.uk/media/ea24eee9-79ed-4e37-b97c-772831687f74-br-british-railways-steam-locomotive-class-v2-60835-nameplate-a/fs? Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markeg Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 One of the original nameplates for Commonwealth of Australia on the wall to the left of entrance in the National Rail Museum in York. Wish the New South Wales (state) government said yes when offered the locomotive in the 60's. Mark in Oz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefen1988 Posted Monday at 21:00 Share Posted Monday at 21:00 (edited) On 27/12/2023 at 00:01, Dominion said: I would love Union of South Africa in LNER livery. I would have to try to renumber a Hornby model as I don’t think that has been done yet either. I would love a TT:120 A4 in Garter Blue but with 'BRITISH RAILWAYS' on the Tender. :D Edited Tuesday at 04:41 by Stefen1988 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted Tuesday at 03:26 Share Posted Tuesday at 03:26 6 hours ago, Stefen1988 said: I would love a TT:120 A4 in Gardner Blue but with 'BRITISH RAILWAYS' on the Tender. :D I think you mean Garter Blue. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefen1988 Posted Tuesday at 04:41 Share Posted Tuesday at 04:41 1 hour ago, sandwich station said: I think you mean Garter Blue. Ehm... yes... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JN Posted Tuesday at 04:43 Share Posted Tuesday at 04:43 On 26/12/2023 at 22:13, Ollie K said: A question for A4 aficionados: Are there any significant differences between how 4489 Dominion of Canada was restored for the Great Gathering - and was depicted by Hornby - and how it would’ve looked in 1937? Same tender style / access hatches in casing etc? Wondering if there are any giveaways that the model is ‘as preserved’ rather than ‘as built’. Cheers! Oh, that does look nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Johan DC Posted Tuesday at 07:43 RMweb Premium Share Posted Tuesday at 07:43 I already have too many, but Empire of India at Modelbahnunion for £113 sure looks tempting! I already have CoA to pull the upcoming Coronation rake, otherwise the £104 would be even harder to resist! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fredo Posted yesterday at 07:14 Share Posted yesterday at 07:14 Hi, the only Hornby A4 I have at the moment is 60030 which I bought last year, I am thinking of getting another one to renumber as 60011 as it has the correct tender. Fred Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago Can anyone join in? Although the focus was SR - I Like many I had to have an A4 - So when Hornby was selling off a Flying Scotsman Limited edition. (R2888M) at a ridiculous price I bought it... It has a nice certificate signed by Simon Kohler - No 0883 It contains Kingfisher (nice raised nameplates, etched?) 4483 in Blue together with three teak coaches (buffet included) i had to buy the set.. I've only run it once to see if it worked.. This thread has prompted me to excavate it from the collection and give it a whirl.. Thanks everyone for the inspiration! P.S. It probably needs a better home than mine - somewhere where it will be loved! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago As I seem to have a crazy growing collection of A4's (16 and counting all in LNER liveries) I have been looking at the Coronation A4's being, Commonwealth of Australia, Dominion of New Zealand, Dominion of Canada, Union of south africa, and Empire of India. The all of these can be achieved for a 1937 to 1940 period with rename and numbers. The current A4's of Commonwealth of Australia can do CofA, and Dominion of New Zealand as these were fitted with the 1935 corridor tenders (curved back). Empire of India be changed to the balance as they all have the 1928 corridor tenders (flat backed). In my little bit or research these locos all had Chrome plated Name plates and from some time in 1938 they were all red backed. Does any one have any different information? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishmail Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago Was never keen on A4's or the LNER for that matter , but now have two in TT scale; 60004 William Whitelaw 60025 Falcon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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