Theakerr Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I have acquired (at the right price) a number of Private Owner Wagons. As such they do not fit the time period for my BR (1953 to 1960 sort of) layout. In various photographs of this time period, I have seen PO wagons in their original livery although very dirty and with the original livery almost un-read-able. My plan is to weather these wagons to this condition but I cannot find a picture showing if said wagons have BR PO numbers on them. Can anyone help. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 If the original owners' markings were no longer legible then initially they had the owners name and town painted in the bottom left corner of the side. I don't think this was on a black panel. There's an example fairly early in DaveF's fantastic photo thread from last year (a Co-op wagon IIRC). Once they were nationalised then they were renumbered by wagon works in fairly short order but this was not much more than a black panel bottom left and a P number and capacity. There are pictures of PO wagons in very good order at the end of the 1950s, so don't assume they were all falling apart just because some were. Some of mine: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted July 7, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2014 Ex-PO wagons received a number prefixed "P" painted at the bottom left hand corner of the sde as you look at it, usually on a black rectangle with the load (eg 10T) above. Apparently it took some time to do so some wagons ran into the early 50s without them. Some would also have received the owner's name, location and original running number in small block letters in the lower left side. This was done from about 1943/44 on wagons where the lettering was becoming illegible, but often lasted into BR days with the P number added below. Paul Bartlett's site has pictures of ex-PO wagons in BR days, including some with vestiges of original lettering: http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/privateownerwagon Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted July 7, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2014 Some of mine: They're really nice wagons Jonathan, I expecially like the Cornwall wagon.Superb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theakerr Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 Terrific. The Cornwall and its associated wagon are exactly what i was looking for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Please note that not all PO wagons were pooled in 1939 to become P series wagons post war! Salt vans and opens remained PO likewise Tanks, Tipplers, specially constructed vehicles and those on restricted workings! I hope this helps. Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Such wagons were marked as such, initially 'NP' and later the full 'Non-Pool'. Some examples here, transfers here and a link to some examples on Paul Bartlett's site. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I have acquired (at the right price) a number of Private Owner Wagons. As such they do not fit the time period for my BR (1953 to 1960 sort of) layout. In various photographs of this time period, I have seen PO wagons in their original livery although very dirty and with the original livery almost un-read-able. My plan is to weather these wagons to this condition but I cannot find a picture showing if said wagons have BR PO numbers on them. Can anyone help. Thanks See Sheets BL43 & BL44 @ http://www.cctrans.freeserve.co.uk/products.htm . Regards, John Isherwood, Cambridge Custom Transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Yes, very remiss of me not to point out that I used John's transfers on most of these wagons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theakerr Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 Thks for the links, I have a set of Model Master transfers but will look at Cambridge Custom Transfers. Basically the wagons i want to convert are all either coke or open 7/5 plank ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45568 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 A couple of my examples including a coke wagon. Often there appears to be a simple grey 'patch' painted where the new P number is going to be, or the bottom ddor marking. I have found a fibreglass pen useful for 'fading' the P.O. lettering Cheers, Peter C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railtec-models Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Such wagons were marked as such, initially 'NP' and later the full 'Non-Pool'. Some examples here, transfers here and a link to some examples on Paul Bartlett's site. Thanks Jonathan for the mention. Just to build on that and give some more info, we've literally just released this pack of non-pool markings and have numerous more accompanying packs both available already as well as in the pipe. As always, if there are packs that modellers here would find useful which are not yet available, please do let us know as this heavily influences what direction we take. We realise that the folks on forums such as these are the core of our business so we're always more than happy to listen. Thanks, Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Having a few minutes this afternoon, I went back to DaveF's fantastic thread. There are examples of PO wagons on almost every page for you, but what I was specifically looking for was one with the owner's name painted on in the bottom left corner. An outstanding example at the bottom of page 14 and another in JVol2148 on page 9. If you haven't looked in there before, spend some time going through the whole thread. It's well worth your while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theakerr Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 I had been to DaveFs thread, it is an incredible source of information and I have used it on several occasions. However, in this case I could not find a picture that showed just what i was after in enough detail although I will admit that I did not go through every page. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted July 15, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 15, 2014 Having a few minutes this afternoon, I went back to DaveF's fantastic thread. There are examples of PO wagons on almost every page for you, but what I was specifically looking for was one with the owner's name painted on in the bottom left corner. An outstanding example at the bottom of page 14 and another in JVol2148 on page 9. If you haven't looked in there before, spend some time going through the whole thread. It's well worth your while. I had been to DaveFs thread, it is an incredible source of information and I have used it on several occasions. However, in this case I could not find a picture that showed just what i was after in enough detail although I will admit that I did not go through every page. Just a quick mention that the images from my thread of B/W photos are now also on flickr, in albums, which might be quicker to look through than going through the whole thread. My photostream is at: https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/ Then click on "Albums", there are two pages of them. Click on the album title and you get all the photos and can enlarge any of them by clicking. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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