Simond Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Wouldn't 1361 have a round topped firebox not a belpaire one. Don you may well be right. I'll have to look. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 The "coppery thing on the left" is the brake handle/small ejector and needs to move to the right side under the weird thingy on the right . unless you have a left hand drive version! (runs and hides...) Jon F. Jon Are you sure? It could be, but it looks wrong to me. Were there two kinds of brake lever? the "wooden handled one with a pointer" as visible in the photo of the other pannier cab a few posts above, and a "wheel with a built in lever" which is what I make the "coppery thing" to have on it - I think I've been confused by this before! Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted September 18, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 18, 2014 "... what would an ejector do?" Don, It creates the vacuum for the braking system. David Thanks, the name is a bit of a misnomer really. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Wouldn't 1361 have a round topped firebox not a belpaire one. 1392s and 1361s had a round top, 1366s had a Belpaire. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Thanks, the name is a bit of a misnomer really. Don Don, not really: An injector takes steam from the boiler, and using its (heat) energy, "injects" water into the boiler against boiler pressure. (This is actually very clever - the inventor, a Frenchman named Henri Giffard according to Wikipedia, deserves a gold star for being really rather smart). The heat energy used is from condensation of the steam, which is why many injectors (particularly, but not exclusively, very small model ones) are a prize PITA if they get hot. An ejector takes steam from the boiler, and using its (velocity) energy, "ejects" air from the brake reservoirs and train pipe, against atmospheric pressure. This is smart, but not as smart as an injector. It's also the same principle as the carburettor on a petrol engine. In both cases, it is also possible to use exhaust steam. (Albeit, probably not for your petrol engine!) http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injector BR Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted September 18, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) Will have to find a fireman that looks like Robin! My missus always wanted me to look like a fireman but that's for another thread and definitely not here. Edited September 18, 2014 by gwrrob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 18, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2014 This also looks like 1369 to me: Photo by Phil Marsh off a webpage I can't find again! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted September 18, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 18, 2014 Don, not really: An injector takes steam from the boiler, and using its (heat) energy, "injects" water into the boiler against boiler pressure. (This is actually very clever - the inventor, a Frenchman named Henri Giffard according to Wikipedia, deserves a gold star for being really rather smart). The heat energy used is from condensation of the steam, which is why many injectors (particularly, but not exclusively, very small model ones) are a prize PITA if they get hot. An ejector takes steam from the boiler, and using its (velocity) energy, "ejects" air from the brake reservoirs and train pipe, against atmospheric pressure. This is smart, but not as smart as an injector. It's also the same principle as the carburettor on a petrol engine. In both cases, it is also possible to use exhaust steam. (Albeit, probably not for your petrol engine!) http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injector BR Simon The term ejector suggest forcing something out rather than drawing it out by a local drop in pressure ( venturi effect?). Apologies for rather drifting from topic I fully accept that for our models how it works is irrelevant. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Hi Don I guess if you think of a near vacuum, and of atmospheric pressure, there's some force involved! yes, it is the "venturi", but don't underestimate the forces that it can create. best Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Jon Are you sure? It could be, but it looks wrong to me. Were there two kinds of brake lever? the "wooden handled one with a pointer" as visible in the photo of the other pannier cab a few posts above, and a "wheel with a built in lever" which is what I make the "coppery thing" to have on it - I think I've been confused by this before! Simon Not sure, but the thing the casting most resembles is the brake valve with the "pepper pot" style and the little valve on the right for the ejector. Whether its the right one for the loco...Looks like the right one from the cab picture posted earlier though... JF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2014 Not sure, but the thing the casting most resembles is the brake valve with the "pepper pot" style and the little valve on the right for the ejector. Whether its the right one for the loco... Looks like the right one from the cab picture posted earlier though... JF That is definitely what it looks like to me, but I do wonder if it is the correct type for a small tank engine (apart from the fact that it belongs on the right hand side of course). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 19, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 19, 2014 Looks like I've a lot of de-soldering to do. Why did I try and follow the destructions? Repeat after me "always look at photos". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 19, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 19, 2014 Think I need to photograph all the parts and then ask the more knowledgeable than I if each is needed / suitable! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeHemmings Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Their is a railway enthusiasts on her way to visit you this weekend,they left hear about 3/4 of an hour ago but only got to Weedon,hope you have a lock on the train room door. Edited September 19, 2014 by MikeHemmings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 19, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 19, 2014 Their is a railway enthusiasts on her way to visit you this weekend,they left hear about 3/4 of an hour ago but only got to Weedon,hope you have a lock on the train room door. The mini train enthusiast is sleeping in the train room. I've done some tidying using a large spade. All the important stuff has been moved up out of reach. All the sharp stuff has been left laying around. Tell Grandma that I think it's important to learn early that you don't touch sharp things. ;-p 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeHemmings Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The mini train enthusiast has learned to use bits of furniture to gain access to thing that out of reach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 19, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 19, 2014 The mini train enthusiast has learned to use bits of furniture to gain access to thing that out of reach. Educating them young. I'm pleased she's showing particular interest in the Bulleid! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 19, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 19, 2014 Train room now a nursery: Looks like a suitably safe environment to me: 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted September 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2014 Train room now a nursery: Looks like a suitably safe environment to me: Just so long as the little one is kept in that mesh cage Before too long he/she will be asking where's Thomas Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeHemmings Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 No not Thomas f3s and f4s see Towcester 1930-50. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Just so long as the little one is kept in that mesh cage Before too long he/she will be asking where's Thomas Don I thought the cage was for Chris, and the toys for the little one!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 After one brief encounter (and entirely non damaging) with a no 11 Swann Morton, my two became extremely protective of Dad's bench, and would not let adult visitors touch anything that was even slightly close to it. Some 15 years later, they can both solder, and wield a screwdriver. Neither have any lasting interest in steam locos... Simon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddlejumper Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 My god that is sooo tidy how do you do it??? My railway room always looks like a bomb has gone off in there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 20, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2014 My god that is sooo tidy how do you do it??? My railway room always looks like a bomb has gone off in there It's been extensively tidied! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81A Oldoak Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Just so long as the little one is kept in that mesh cage Before too long he/she will be asking where's Thomas Don That's so true. Our first grand-child, who is now 9 months old and was born and lives in the USA, visited us last month. He was captivated by my sound-fitted 0 gauge locos and went home with an Ixion Fowler 0-4-0 diesel complete with nameplates bearing his name courtesy of Narrow Planet. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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