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The motors 5050 offered to me are too small  except for one that i somehow killed while testing it but a very good slow running motor has been scavanged from a rejected point motor gearbox courtesy of Jamie

33466861716_11c1b61c2b_z.jpgthunderchild (25) by Sam, on Flickr

 

just as i was sitting down at the work bench dad went to bed (he works nights) so i couldnt cut out the nickel sheet for the motor mounting plate on the gearbox, so instead i did a few quieter things like cutting out the motor hole in the footplate and gluing on the bufferbeams

33351465542_2769f16e65_z.jpgthunderchild (24) by Sam, on Flickr

 

now i know the size of the hole to work around, I can start building up the body

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Another day ups & downs as usual.

 

this afternoon, i got the motor plate cut out and drilled, a little bit of fettling later here is the usual clip of the running gearbox

https://flic.kr/p/SPVSbL

 

I was taking off one of the wheel sets to thread on the gearbox into the chassis, but while i was pulling one of the wheels off, the crankpin bolt stabbed my thumb and it bent so i tried to straighten the crankpin but it snapped (!). Instead of ordering spares from Slaters and having to wait for it, im using some other crankpins ive got that was going to be used on my O16.5, i cant remember where i bought them. they have a thin thread to screw the con rod bushes onto and a larger thread to screw into the wheel, and in hindsight these crank pins will work out better for building up the motion. ive had to do some modifying of the con rods to fit. the slaters bushes were soldered into the rods and drilled out for the new bushes

33517049945_13febaff5c_c.jpgthunderchild (27) by Sam, on Flickr

 

Wheels bak n and con rods on, the method for retaining the gearbox to stop it turning in the chassis is just like on the Kitson but with a slight difference. On the Kitson a brass rod passes through holes in the gearbox and the chassis frames and is bent round at both ends, this is the same but because there wasnt anywhere i could see to pass the rod through without obstructions so instead the rod passes through the chassis just infront of the gearbox and a piec of brass was soldered onto the side of the gearbox with a hole drilled out of the other end for the rod to pass through

32702222813_790f9f6a72_z.jpgthunderchild (28) by Sam, on Flickr

 

apart from the pick ups, i now have a running chassis

 

all the parts sat together

33517115095_0ddbcb5018_z.jpgthunderchild (29) by Sam, on Flickr

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What a cracking little article on the 'Corringham' railway Sam,(post #379)

 

Sound`s like that would make a good layout,especially with the short length of the line.

Not that i`m going to think about it,but the 1950 take over period sound`s like that would be ideal period...perhaps,overgrown track, run down stock ummm.....

 

Cheer`s,

 

Brian. 

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now working on the pick ups and the motion

 

a better view of the retaining rod

33487171966_1340668b0c_z.jpgThunderchild (31) by Sam, on Flickr

 

inbetween the gearbox and the other axle a tretcher has been glued in to fir the pick ups to

32684569914_4430bf8108_z.jpgThunderchild (35) by Sam, on Flickr

 

the pick ups will be 2 V's of thin brass wire soldered onto the ends of a piece of coppeclad

32713744643_618a415330_z.jpgThunderchild (36) by Sam, on Flickr

 

the con rods to the crosshead are now ready to fit but i have not yet built the crosshead. ive decided to re use the nuts & bolts that came off the wheels to attach the rods to the crossheads

33399570231_e53545bbfb_z.jpgThunderchild (32) by Sam, on Flickr

 

with all the motion planned and the con rods built, i can start on the cylinders

 

the tubes that the piston rods will run in have had 5 x 10mm rectangles of thing brass soldered onto the ends and then these have been filed down into ovals to represent the piston glands, below on the right in one that hasnt been filed and on the left, it has and excess solder has been filed off

33144546970_9ab7c11b8d_z.jpgThunderchild (30) by Sam, on Flickr

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now working on the pick ups and the motion

 

a better view of the retaining rod

33487171966_1340668b0c_z.jpgThunderchild (31) by Sam, on Flickr

 

inbetween the gearbox and the other axle a tretcher has been glued in to fir the pick ups to

32684569914_4430bf8108_z.jpgThunderchild (35) by Sam, on Flickr

 

the pick ups will be 2 V's of thin brass wire soldered onto the ends of a piece of coppeclad

32713744643_618a415330_z.jpgThunderchild (36) by Sam, on Flickr

 

the con rods to the crosshead are now ready to fit but i have not yet built the crosshead. ive decided to re use the nuts & bolts that came off the wheels to attach the rods to the crossheads

33399570231_e53545bbfb_z.jpgThunderchild (32) by Sam, on Flickr

 

with all the motion planned and the con rods built, i can start on the cylinders

 

the tubes that the piston rods will run in have had 5 x 10mm rectangles of thing brass soldered onto the ends and then these have been filed down into ovals to represent the piston glands, below on the right in one that hasnt been filed and on the left, it has and excess solder has been filed off

33144546970_9ab7c11b8d_z.jpgThunderchild (30) by Sam, on Flickr

Hey Sam just to make sure your naming this engine "Thunderchild"? If so all I can say is 5....4....3....2....1 * :locomotive: * Thunderchild is go!  :mosking:

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Hey Sam just to make sure your naming this engine "Thunderchild"? If so all I can say is 5....4....3....2....1 * :locomotive: * Thunderchild is go!  :mosking:

 

 

i think your confusing Thunderchild with Thunderbirds, this from War of the worlds by H G Wells, the Warship HMS Thunderchild, i know it from Jeff Waynes musical version

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-S15IDcQgE

 

Journalist : The steamer began to move slowly away - but on the landward horizon

appeared the silhouette of a Fighting Machine. Another came, and another, striding

over hills and trees, plunging far out to sea and blocking the exit of the steamer.

Between them lay the silent, grey Ironclad 'Thunder Child'. Slowly it moved towards

shore; then, with a deafening roar and whoosh of spray, it swung about and drove at

full speed towards the waiting Martians.

People : There were ships of shapes and sizes

Scattered out along the bay

And I thought I heard her calling

As the steamer pulled away

The Invaders must have seen them

As across the coast they filed

Standing firm between them

There lay Thunder Child

Moving swiftly through the waters

Cannons blazing as she came

Brought a mighty metal War-Lord

Crashing down in sheets of flame

Sensing victory was nearing

Thinking fortune must have smiled

People started cheering

'Come on Thunder Child'

'Come on Thunder Child'

Journalist : The Martians released their Black Smoke, but the ship

sped on,cutting down one of the tripod figures. Instantly, the others

raised their Heat Rays and melted the Thunder Child's valiant heart.

People : Lashing ropes and smashing timbers

Flashing Heat Rays pierced the deck

Dashing hopes for our deliverance

As we watched the sinking wreck

With the smoke of battle clearing

Over graves in waves defiled

Slowly disappearing

Farewell Thunder Child!

Slowly disappearing

Farewell Thunder Child!

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Yesterday i got the pick ups on and the chassis running

33420516501_6c77d6b80d_z.jpgThunderchild (38) by Sam, on Flickr

 

33165817880_c6eb678b13_z.jpgThunderchild (39) by Sam, on Flickr

 

This morning, cut and drilled the cylinder ends and the back piece to join them, here the parts assembled, the piston tube is temporarily fitted to align the holes while the glue dries

32734834293_bd582dc806_z.jpgThunderchild (37) by Sam, on Flickr

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mounting the cylinders today.

 

2 short lengths of steel rod superglued into holes in the back of the cylinder which slot into the 2 holes in the frames and a nut & bolt goes through inbetween them

33415370822_bb03700d3c_z.jpgThunderchild (40) by Sam, on Flickr

 

the countersunk bolt head sit in some layers of styrene ply'd onto the inside of the cylinder block, eventually the bolt will be captive by more layers over the top of the head

33531404856_40d4cf6284_z.jpgThunderchild (41) by Sam, on Flickr

 

washer and nut goes into the bolt thread inside the chassis, this will make the cylinders easily removable

32757756323_d6a449cd5e_z.jpgThunderchild (42) by Sam, on Flickr

 

right hand side cylinder fitted

33572285265_ff0c93d9a7_z.jpgThunderchild (43) by Sam, on Flickr

33531412596_f8dae184ce_z.jpgThunderchild (44) by Sam, on Flickr

 

and left hand side fitted

33531414456_fdc8a606ed_z.jpgThunderchild (45) by Sam, on Flickr

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After the bolt heads in the cylinders were made captive by covering them with a layer of styrene, the piston tubes could be superglued in

33204268240_77763cac08_z.jpg(thunderchild (46) by Sam, on Flickr

 

With the piston tubes in, the cylinder front ends could be glued on

33430778202_a931d14804_z.jpg(thunderchild (47) by Sam, on Flickr

 

the slide bars are 1.5mm square brass rod, when i bought it i also got a box section to fit on it for the crosshead. A bit more of it has been used as a dry fit slot for the slide bars in the cylinder block. the hole was drilled and opened square with the dremel and the box section superglued in. Also the slide bars have been cut, below shows a test fit

33587253495_4574f027f9_z.jpg(thunderchild (48) by Sam, on Flickr

 

but the test fit showed that there wasnt going to be enough room for the crosshead because the slide bar was touching the crankpin, so the cylinders have been packed out by 1mm each

32773220563_48166ae970_z.jpg(thunderchild (49) by Sam, on Flickr

 

Its not quite clear but below shows the right hand side from the front and shows that there is now a reasonable gap between the slide bar and crankpin

32773223033_66d7a54e9c_z.jpg(thunderchild (50) by Sam, on Flickr

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A goal I had set myself was to have all the motion finished and running before i went away to london, which i have now done and the loco is boxed up ready to go

 

Since im not yet used to working with brass and doing delicate soldering, the fiddliest soldering ive ever done has been doing these motion brackets

33480134701_ecc38357fe_z.jpgThunderchild (51) by Sam, on Flickr

 

motion brackets screwed on and soldered the slide bars on

33480237471_56c244fba1_z.jpgThunderchild (52) by Sam, on Flickr

33480241121_7160cc34f9_z.jpgThunderchild (53) by Sam, on Flickr

 

The crosshead was the next fiddliest soldering ive ever done after the brackets

33226135270_d94c58896b_z.jpgThunderchild (55) by Sam, on Flickr

 

test fit of a crosshead

33226137350_e685b5184b_z.jpgThunderchild (56) by Sam, on Flickr

 

A problem with my measurements has meant that i had to cut new rods because they were a bit too short, old ones top and new ones bottom, i still needed to drill out the big end to un solder the bushes from the old and put them into the new

33609361255_aa256894b6_z.jpgThunderchild (58) by Sam, on Flickr

 

with the bushes in, the rods were put onto the crosshead with the redundant crankpin nut & bolts

33480253351_bca97deb55_z.jpgThunderchild (59) by Sam, on Flickr

 

motion fitted to the loco and here is a test run video with the loco upside down with jump leads

https://flic.kr/p/SC5ikN

 

test run on Deffors under load of some lead strip, the roll of tape is just to sit the lead over the middle of the wheel base

https://flic.kr/p/SC5AzC

 

motion brackets painted over with Tamiya black

33480256891_13bd864b25_z.jpgThunderchild (63) by Sam, on Flickr

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Guest Isambarduk

im just happy that its inside valve gear so dont have to do that

That'll be for your next loco - 'working' inside valve gear :-)  David

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Next up is are the Cylinder wrappers and the boiler

 

cylinder wrappers

33698835625_676f9eee79_z.jpgThunderchild (66) by Sam, on Flickr

33542500402_04e846bf5b_z.jpgThunderchild (65) by Sam, on Flickr

 

The boiler, I was trying to find a tube the right diameter but couldnt so instead i looked for something the right diameter to wrap styrene around into a tube, one of the options was to raid the lego box for it which i found 3 pulleys and if i put them onto a lego shaft i can wrap the styrene on. The flanges of the pulleys needed taking off but i decided that two of the rims should be left on to go on the ends for the styrene to sit inbetween and the middle pulley will have both flanges removed

33698832325_20aa113e81_z.jpgThunderchild (64) by Sam, on Flickr

 

the styrene sheet was cut and superglued in and held on tight with electrical tape

33698837745_b91c09330e_z.jpgThunderchild (67) by Sam, on Flickr

 

and after the glue dried and the tape removed. the bend ridges will eventually be sanded off

32885426983_14e49ec2c0_z.jpgThunderchild (71) by Sam, on Flickr

 

i was going to do the backhead some time ago but needed to leave until i know for sure what diameter the boiler will be so the firebox can match it, with the above done i can start

33657736606_ac4a7410b5_z.jpgThunderchild (69) by Sam, on Flickr

33314692000_a58fafd589_z.jpgThunderchild (68) by Sam, on Flickr

 

and sat in place

33657739426_c7edce3875_z.jpgThunderchild (70) by Sam, on Flickr

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i think your confusing Thunderchild with Thunderbirds, this from War of the worlds by H G Wells, the Warship HMS Thunderchild, i know it from Jeff Waynes musical version

 

Oh I know full well that I was thinking of something different . Just thought I'd make a joke and show my support is all. ;) It is a good name for a loco anyway.

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not clear because of camera flash (and the button to turn it off doesnt work) but here is the back head now with the layer built up and filed round for the brass surround

33718513435_1f8454a419_z.jpgThunderchild (73) by Sam, on Flickr

32875972204_985c11c3e2_z.jpgThunderchild (72) by Sam, on Flickr

 

painting the cylinders,  this is after painting but i then had to sand it down a bit to even the surface before doing another coat

33718515995_9309e90759_z.jpgThunderchild (74) by Sam, on Flickr

 

boiler and smokebox now glued down, ive been trying to sand down the fold ridges but i think instead I'll build up a few layers of undercoat and then sand it down

32905155963_9d8390d868_z.jpgThunderchild (76) by Sam, on Flickr

 

An under side view of the boiler showing the cut out for the motor and the middle lego pulley that had to be cut in half

33718524645_b7c0994f65_z.jpgThunderchild (77) by Sam, on Flickr

 

the inner sides of the side tanks are now on, you can see the spacers that were put in cut out of styrene off cuts, before the side went on, a housing was put in around the inside of the trapezoid gap, the inner side of the tank doesnt has a corresponding gap like on the prototype which you can see all the way through both gaps but i want to try to hide the motor as much as possible so you cant see it through the gaps

33718518955_7075fd1c19_z.jpgThunderchild (75) by Sam, on Flickr

 

there now has to be a certain order of events for it to go the way i want, to be able to fill the tanks with lead, it needs to be stuck down the footplate but that also means gluing down the cab but i need to leave that until after ive finished and fitted the backhead and the other in cab details. so while i cant do much more on the body until after that, i can work on the chassis like the brake gear, trailing wheels, guard irons, drain cocks and cab steps for example

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i recently came across a very good quality photo on Flickr of a Kerr Stuart in Egypt that looks like its also a Waterloo class and the quality of the detail when you zoom in is amazing, theres a few dteails i wasnt able o see on the Kynite photos hich are scrip and clear on this like the linkages between the valve piston and the inside valve gear, the balance pipe for the tanks and the pattern of the trailing wheels. an obvios oddity is the smokebox but also that the drain cock pipes go in towards the centre instead of forwards. some notable differences with kyite is that this doesnt have the curved corners to the cab and tanks like on Kynite but has a hand rail on the end of the tank, Also the angles T section brackets between the footplate and bufferbeams is something i'd like to copy

https://flic.kr/p/QCAcrF

 

and inserted here but go through the link to try the zoom

31919191021_f13da0a5d8_k.jpgEgypt Railways - Egyptian Railway Administration 0-4-2 steam locomotive (Kerr, Stuart & Co - Works Nr. 452, 1897) by Historical Railway Images, on Flickr

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Looks like the 'board' behind the lower part of the cab side handrails is an extra piece as it overlaps the tank side slightly?  Possibly to keep the lumps of coal in place and stop them falling out - as you said.

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A bit of the backhead and the brake gear today

 

On my previous locos the brake shoes were fitted with a big enough gap from the wheel tread to allow for the flanges if i needed to remove the wheels but this time i want a realistic tight gap so the shoes will have to be removable, so they have been made to screw onto styrene blocks on the chassis. Below, the 2mm³ blocks are to the left of the wheels and as this is the left hand side, they are forward of them, next to the chassis are the brakes themselves which are 1mm styrene cut to profile and the usual bolt heads on either end

33606721221_3130be1374_z.jpgThunderchild (79) by Sam, on Flickr

 

Left hand brakes screwed on

33606724141_94dc3708d3_z.jpgThunderchild (80) by Sam, on Flickr

 

On the backhead, a start has been made with the fire hole doors,  their runners and the regulator stuffing box

33351117920_8c63333673_z.jpgThunderchild (81) by Sam, on Flickr

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Trailing Wheels

 

For those who have forgotten, I'll first go back over making the wheels. Back in January The wheels were taken from a Hornby Castle front bogie and put onto a slaters wagon axle

32116193322_9f5f8ac0ea_z.jpgthunderchild by Sam, on Flickr

31658601554_db352dc208_z.jpgThunderchild (4) by Sam, on Flickr

 

Then they were then filled with miliput and today the wheel faces were milled out to create the reccess and the ovals drilled out, Although the holes are supposed to be D shaped, i think only anybody who reads this thread ill be able to notice the diffrence

33712634476_05efa24afd_z.jpgThunderchild (82) by Sam, on Flickr

 

and painted

33712636216_ffb514936c_z.jpgThunderchild (83) by Sam, on Flickr

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been a bit slow at the moment on Thunderchilld, i haven't worked on it for few days now as im still pondering how to attach and articulate the trailing wheel since i cant see apony arm in the photos so i think it had a vertical articulation and ive not quite got the enthusiasm right now to do small fiddly bits like the backhead fittings, but instead im working on other things like a second hand white metal wagon bought at ally pally and some repairs to the skytrex wagons which have suffered from hook spring problems after heavy usage on Green Ayre over that weekend. On another note i am now about to start building the cattle van i mentioned quite a while ago

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i think your confusing Thunderchild with Thunderbirds, this from War of the worlds by H G Wells, the Warship HMS Thunderchild, i know it from Jeff Waynes musical version

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-S15IDcQgE

 

Journalist : The steamer began to move slowly away - but on the landward horizon

appeared the silhouette of a Fighting Machine. Another came, and another, striding

over hills and trees, plunging far out to sea and blocking the exit of the steamer.

Between them lay the silent, grey Ironclad 'Thunder Child'. Slowly it moved towards

shore; then, with a deafening roar and whoosh of spray, it swung about and drove at

full speed towards the waiting Martians.

People : There were ships of shapes and sizes

Scattered out along the bay

And I thought I heard her calling

As the steamer pulled away

The Invaders must have seen them

As across the coast they filed

Standing firm between them

There lay Thunder Child

Moving swiftly through the waters

Cannons blazing as she came

Brought a mighty metal War-Lord

Crashing down in sheets of flame

Sensing victory was nearing

Thinking fortune must have smiled

People started cheering

'Come on Thunder Child'

'Come on Thunder Child'

Journalist : The Martians released their Black Smoke, but the ship

sped on,cutting down one of the tripod figures. Instantly, the others

raised their Heat Rays and melted the Thunder Child's valiant heart.

People : Lashing ropes and smashing timbers

Flashing Heat Rays pierced the deck

Dashing hopes for our deliverance

As we watched the sinking wreck

With the smoke of battle clearing

Over graves in waves defiled

Slowly disappearing

Farewell Thunder Child!

Slowly disappearing

Farewell Thunder Child!

 

Sung by Chris Thompson, a friend at school!!!

Classic musical/ stage show!!

 

Regards, Deano.

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Looking good Sam my friend. You know even though her name is taken from a drama I just can't help but want to see her rolling along once finished with thr Thunderbirds theme playing. It would really suit her and her namesake if you ask me. Also to be clear I'm talking about the theme sans the countdown. I'm not sure if you've said elsewhere but if I may ask what color do you plan for her livery?

 

I think she would look quite fetching in a Red with black stripes and white lining around the black. Just my Ten Cents my friend looking forward to more.

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