Guest Isambarduk Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 "... I didn't have any drawings for my Fowler centre-cab conversion. It was all done by estimating from the prototype photographs and the bodger's principle of "if it looks right, it is right" ... " That's perfectly acceptable in my book, Chris. When I build my Fowler 0-4-0DM LMS No.2 using many of the parts from an Underhill/Vulcan kit (now with ABS), I did have a copy of the Fowler outline GA drawing to help me with the major dimensions but all the detail drawings I drew up from scaling off the two official photographs. In fact, in detail, LMS No. 2 is very different from GWR No. 2 (ie the Ixion model) but I think it looks right so to me it is right. As an aside, as I understand it, the advice of "If it looks right, it is right" is a corruption of "If it is right, it'll look right" but you can make your own choice. David See: www.davidlosmith.co.uk/LMS_Fowler.htm for details of 'How I did it', including punching the louvres, and the two official Fowler photographs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81A Oldoak Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 firstly whats circumlocution and infinitives Circumlocution is the use of many words where fewer would do, especially in a deliberate attempt to be vague or evasive e.g. "He was guilty of a terminological inexactitude" = "He lied". The infinitive form of a verb is the verb in its basic form and is the version of the verb that will appear in the dictionary. The infinitive form of a verb is usually preceded by "to" e.g., to go. An infinitive is split when an adverb or adverbial phrase is inserted between the "to" and the bare form of the verb. One of the most well know split infinitives is "To boldly go". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 4, 2016 Author Share Posted November 4, 2016 (edited) today i got back a bit of enthusiasm for the Planet The sand pots have now been finished and fitted. on the previous page post #243, 4 pairs of styrene blocks glued and clipped together. This morning, they were filed down square and to length, the angles cut in with the hacksaw and all the corners rounded off with sandpaper. i still need to put on the filler caps on top Planet (45) by Sam, on Flickr Planet (46) by Sam, on Flickr Planet (47) by Sam, on Flickr Next is the box on the left hand side of the radiator. The 2 sides glued down with spacers inbetween and a thin sheet wrap around Planet (48) by Sam, on Flickr Edited November 4, 2016 by sir douglas 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 This is looking really good. Do you think it will be finished in time for Wakey exhibition? I'll bring along those whitemetal wagon frames for you... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 5, 2016 Author Share Posted November 5, 2016 i dont know, but i might just make it the radiator today. i want something that looks like a radiotor not just a plain surface painted black or cut the corner and hide it behind a grill or mesh Planet (49) by Sam, on Flickr The 1.5mm wide strips used shown by the spare on the left Planet (50) by Sam, on Flickr Planet (52) by Sam, on Flickr Planet (54) by Sam, on Flickr Planet (55) by Sam, on Flickr 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 6, 2016 Author Share Posted November 6, 2016 a new find, somebody else made a planet but in 10mm scale http://www.woodburymodels.co.uk/motive-power/ Bonnet side doors. the door handles are conical so made them from plastic rod, filing a point onto the end of the rod and then cutting it off and repeting another 7 times Planet (58) by Sam, on Flickr Planet (59) by Sam, on Flickr end on view showing the hangles, and also are the radiator brackets now on Planet (60) by Sam, on Flickr Now moving onto the axleboxes and springs, styrene blocks glued together which will be the axleboxes and parts cut out for the leaf spring housings Planet (56) by Sam, on Flickr leaf spring housings made up Planet (57) by Sam, on Flickr 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Young Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Enjoying your current build, a very nice job. Styrene is an under rated scratch builder's medium in my book. Cheers, Andrew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 axleboxes cut and filed. ive added a backing piece to connect up the parts and fix onto the back of the loco's solebars. Have also started detailing the axleboxes with the circular plates and retangluar plate on top. shown are the axleboxes with a leaf spring housing sat in position not glued down Planet (61) by Sam, on Flickr 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 and now for the dreaded leaf springs. The one part that ive been wanting to put off but still need to do are the leaf springs, this morning i decided to make a jig to form them on. the longest length of the spring is pinned down to a curved block of wood with a centre line drawn on, each length is cut out and a centre marked on that can be lined up with he line on the jig when glueing down. the first length is scale 3'2", the second goes down by 3" each end to 2'8" to clear the pin heads but the next lengths go down by 2" at each end (4") down to the shortest at 8" one completed leaf spring left to set. the paper show the planning of the suspension, on the right i wrote down the leaf spring length increments so dont need to remember them for the other 3 leaf springs Planet (62) by Sam, on Flickr another angle Planet (63) by Sam, on Flickr exhaust and bonnet top hatch added. The exhaust is plastic rod from a kit sprue with a hole drilled in the end Planet (64) by Sam, on Flickr 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 It's the faffing around making multiples of things such as axleboxes and springs that are a pain when scratchbuilding. If I ever get started on one of these I may look at making one part and getting the others cast in resin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 The fourth leaf spring is now sitting on the block. The spring housings have been stuck down to the axlebox assembly sans the housing fronts, to make it easier to sit them in place and paint them and then put the housing fronts back on. the pick was taken whit the the third leaf spring on the block Planet (65) by Sam, on Flickr on the chassis, the suspension positions have been marked. the mounting slots for the motor chassis have been removed as im scrapping it, it doesnt run well at all and every time i tinker with it, it gets worse and not better so im going to build a new conventional chassis from scratch. this also means that the loco's wheelbase can be the correct 5'6" instead of the Lima's at 6'6" Planet (66) by Sam, on Flickr In other news, A start has been made on the footboards for the brakevan. The footboard hangers have been made out of brass, 3 on each side, the boards wont go full length but just under the door and the veranda brake van (21) by Sam, on Flickr 2 holes drilled into each hanger are for pins that will superglue into place into corresponding holes in the solebars, these have been drilled and as the holes in each hanger arent exactly the same, each hanger and its solebar position is numbered. Also ca be seen is that last week i put latches on the sliding doors. the chap that used to stand on the bridge on HCLR is going to stood on the veranda, the hole for which has been drilled in the floor for his standing wire brake van (23) by Sam, on Flickr 406 by Sam, on Flickr 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted November 10, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2016 Michael Edge has said that one of his compensated etched chassis is the right wheelbase for the Planet, I'm sure he'd tell you which one. Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 nah, i'll scratch build it thanks though The last leaf spring is off the block and the four are on the suspension assembly which is also now on the loco Planet (67) by Sam, on Flickr a new pick of the figure for the brake van brake van (24) by Sam, on Flickr 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 12, 2016 Author Share Posted November 12, 2016 Just done some more work on the chassis building up the brackets for the rods that stop lateral movement of the axleboxes Planet (68) by Sam, on Flickr Also now done are the long bolts that clamp the middle of the leaf springs down to the axleboxes and the boltheads on the L section on the inside of the bufferbeams next to the sand pots Planet (70) by Sam, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 13, 2016 Author Share Posted November 13, 2016 Brackets finished an stay rods glued in, i tried the first layer of black undercoat but only after painting did i realised that i haven't done the cab steps, so they'll be next before the second coat Planet (71) by Sam, on Flickr Planet (72) by Sam, on Flickr Also, a first coat on the radiator. apart from the running plate, roof and exhaust The body will have a grey undercoat as ive chosen a light colour. more on that when the time comes Planet (73) by Sam, on Flickr 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted November 13, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2016 The Planet is looking very good sir douglas - the detailing on the frames is great! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 ive not had to put 3 coats of black onto the leaf springs to get a solid colour so i can put the housing fronts on. the black is a large tin of Pheonix dull black (but always gives an enamel finish) its the same black ive been doing all the metalwrk on the wagons with. the red is Tamiya X-7 same as the bufferbeams on J Aspdin Planet (74) by Sam, on Flickr body with 1 coat of grey, footplate and exhaust with 1 coat of black and a second coat on the radiator. Also is a sample of the Blue i'd like to use, its an old tin of Humbrol the lid says 50 but No 50 is now dark green, so the current equivalent is No 47. te grey is from Pheonix, which i have been using on the wagons as the finish colour Planet (75) by Sam, on Flickr 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 16, 2016 Author Share Posted November 16, 2016 correction. because of the tin size i assumed it was Humbrol, but its Revell No 50 light blue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 16, 2016 Author Share Posted November 16, 2016 Body now under it first coat of the blue Planet (76) by Sam, on Flickr And the leaf spring housing face on just waiting for the glue on the bolt heads to dry before painting Planet (77) by Sam, on Flickr 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) As usual its normally my fault if something goes wrong, i said that i wasnt happy with the consistency of the black paint but it was my fault for not thoroughly mixing it before use. the chassis now looks a lot better after 1 coat of properly mixed paint Planet (82) by Sam, on Flickr Now the horn, the other day i decided to make it by machining down a bit of 1/8th brass rod with my files Planet (78) by Sam, on Flickr Planet (79) by Sam, on Flickr then cut that off and hold the thin end in the drill to clean up the rough surface from the saw. it was then put in the vice to drill in a pilot hole which is then opened up with the a countersink and finally curved with a file Planet (80) by Sam, on Flickr Planet (81) by Sam, on Flickr and an overall view Planet (83) by Sam, on Flickr Edited November 19, 2016 by sir douglas 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81A Oldoak Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 As usual its normally my fualt if something goes wrong, i said that i wasnt happy with the consistency of the black paint but it was my fault for not thoroughly mixing it before use. the chassis now looks a lot better after 1 coat of properly mixed paint Planet (82) by Sam, on Flickr Now the horn, the other day i decided to make it by machining down a bit of 1/8th brass road with my files Planet (78) by Sam, on Flickr Planet (79) by Sam, on Flickr then cut that off and hold the thin end in the drill to clean up the rough surface from the saw. it was then put in the vice to drill in a pilot hole which is then opened up with the a countersink and finally curved with a file Planet (80) by Sam, on Flickr Planet (81) by Sam, on Flickr and an overall view Planet (83) by Sam, on Flickr Very neat horn. I do like the shade of blue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 19, 2016 Author Share Posted November 19, 2016 pics from yesterday, i took Rebecca and the tank wagon to the show for the competition, they would have just sat on a display stand all weekend but fellow wakefield club O gauger Paul Brierley said it was okay to leave them on his Derwent valley layout Elvington, so they run up and down every now & then 001 by Sam, on Flickr 002 by Sam, on Flickr i have now bought some suitable wheels for the planet, Slaters 3 hole disk wagon wheels from Jim mcgowan and a pack assorted gears from Squires 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 21, 2016 Author Share Posted November 21, 2016 So firstly, it was nice to finally meet Ruston and have a chat Secondly, The two competitions that i entered at the show, Rollingstock with the Tank wagon and Locomotive with the Kitson I won both, trophies which will now adorn our fireplace for a year awards by Sam, on Flickr And now back to the Planet. I would have prefered a motor size like the two previous locos but the bonnet is too narrow so instead im using two smaller motors, one on each axle. I dont have any brass chocolate blocks left with 1/8th holes so i raided one of my dad's bits boxes and found 2 screw bosses with 1/8th hole. The 1/8th brass rods will be cut down for the idler gears. Bearings from Comet Planet (84) by Sam, on Flickr with the two large gears back to back i cant put the brass wires through for the screw boss as they would obstruct the idler gear at the other side, so my decision was to bend the wires inwards into the bosses on the gear. Planet (85) by Sam, on Flickr In the forground, the bent wires in their drilled holes. In the background, wires and screwboss soldered together with just excess wire to cut and file back Planet (87) by Sam, on Flickr 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohmisterporter Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Well done winning the trophies Sam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Pulham Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Congratulations Sam, Well deserved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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