RMweb Gold Donw Posted November 15, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 15, 2016 Regarding sidings from what I have seen elsewhere ( not being too familiar with the S&C) siding used for marshalling were often laid parallel and the splaying of sidings was more common in areas where loading/unloading took place. To me the reduced flangeways made quite a difference to the track. In my day it was maygib wheels still have quite a few. For loco it was Sharmans. I still have the gauges and some ply sleepers and rivets. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted November 16, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2016 Update: The latest batch of track arrived at 4pm, so I've started re-laying track in the embankment area, close to the lift out. I'm approaching the fiddle yard area (when I laid the track last year I started in the fiddle yard and worked the other way). The fiddle yard will be a little on the "skeletal" side as I haven't bought all the curved turnouts I need - yet. However, the priority over the next few days will be to get the main lines up and running. Maybe some pics - BUT you've seen it all before (!!!!) - in a day or so. Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Maybe some pics - BUT you've seen it all before (!!!!) - in a day or so. We have all forgotten what's under that big green mountain, sometimes us oldies need a memory jolt 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted November 17, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2016 Okay, okay you slave-drivers! I'll get the camera out tomorrow and "go subterranean" for your benefit! :-) Not sure how much I'll do today as I was out until the early hours imaging the Moon for the next astro project. Jeff 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 It's 0.6mm off scale, hardly noticeable whereas OO is 2.3mm out and does show. It's not just with track though, as the narrow BTB on OO locos and stock also stands out when you look at them next to each other, as Jeff would have seen when he and I were building 16ton mineral wagons together, him in OO and me in EM (which I suspect is what set him down this path). Going EM is a frightening prospect as there is a lot of effort involved but I reckon that it encourages a mindset of looking at all aspects of modelling differently. For instance, put more effort into track and stock and you are more likely to want them running past scale (MSE for instance) signals than bodged up Ratio ones with no handrails, etc. I am not putting OO down (Bacup is OO, as is one of my favourite layouts, Dewsbury Midland) but when you have been involved with or exposed to EM layouts (and most modellers I know and socialise with do so in EM) then it is hard to not notice the narrowness of OO. I also like a challenge and much prefer building & fettling things to playing trains, and I am pretty sure Jeff is the same. And EM trackwork can look so much better even if it's still 0.61mm off scale (pedant mode on then off again).... . I've pulled out a couple of wagons worth of RTR wheels just to see if it works. Okay it does work but as I like to make the flangeway clearances on the points quite tight at least one make of RTR wheelset doesn't like it - too thick flanges? I use 16.65mm B2B with Gibson or Ultrascale wheels as the flanges are finer and everything runs beautifully but the RTR ones had to be adjusted individually to ensure smooth passage through the pointwork. Yes there is more work involved in EM and P4 but I have thought it worth it since 1985. Wagons, coaches and diesels are easy to convert but if you like steam it can be a buxxer though I started with kit chassis built to EM so no problem there. So well done Jeff for taking the plunge, once you get some locos done you won't regret it. Dave Franks 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted November 17, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2016 I wouldn't use the wheels in the Conflat for EM; the clearances on The Mill are built tight enough to be picky about Romfords, never mind the dustbin flanges on those old Bachmanns. I would imagine that clearances on the Marcway turnouts are a tad more generous and as such, regauged RTR wheels would probably be ok (time will tell I guess - I will bring stock with a cross-section to make sure). Frank (Davis) pointed out a while ago that a lot of EM B2B gauges still hark back to the 18.0 days and that he measured his and where necessary, adds a shim of 0.2mm to his; I wonder if that 0.2mm would allow for the flabby flanges (ooer)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Frank (Davis) pointed out a while ago that a lot of EM B2B gauges still hark back to the 18.0 days and that he measured his and where necessary, adds a shim of 0.2mm to his; I wonder if that 0.2mm would allow for the flabby flanges (ooer)? Flabby flanges indeed.... Anyway why aren't you at work.... Dave Franks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted November 17, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2016 I am at work; I was having a poo (on work time, obviously) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted November 17, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2016 I am at work; I was having a poo (on work time, obviously) People do say that you talk a load of sh1t..... ..... now we have the poof - , oops, proof! Just looked in while having a coffee break. The milk has curdled - so it's back to the Bunker.... Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted November 17, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2016 How long have you been in the bunker, that the milk curdled? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) I am at work; I was having a poo (on work time, obviously) Too much information Jason.... But now you mention it..... I'm going for a steaming hot mug of coffee. Dave Franks. Edited November 17, 2016 by davefrk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukebox Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I am at work; I was having a poo (on work time, obviously) That would have been easier in OO. Just saying... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted November 17, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2016 It was in OO, otherwise I would have been for a pem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted November 17, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2016 Now then lads, behave yourselves - though it IS very good humour.... Some would disagree - in which case, why are you reading this!!!?? No more poo-nishment.... Update: Just ripped out half the fiddle yard. I now have a box with over 20 near-mint condition OO Marcway turnouts, some of which I'll offer for sale. Details when I sort out what I'm going to do. More coffee, then off to fit the scenic area lie-by. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted November 19, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2016 After spending 3 hours outside in the early hours imaging the Moon - the telescope tube was coated in frost - I managed to rouse myself to do something in the Bunker. Old fiddle yard ripped out (half of it), new turnouts going in.... I was sure I was seeing things - as it looks the same (almost, same arrangement, different gauge). Not a lot done, but I'll post a couple of pics on here later. Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted November 19, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2016 Right, here's a group of extremely mundane photos. The first shows the approximate extent of the old fiddle yard, as built in October 2015. The second shows - in dim lighting - the 6 EM turnouts that, so far, represent its replacement.... The third view is of the (still drying) track passing under the overbridge, linking the goods area to the fiddle yard. Some of this curved track passes over the lift-out section, so will have to be modified in the days ahead. Anyway, some pics are better than NO pics. Eh? Jeff 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Anotheran Posted November 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 20, 2016 As I was scrolling and saw the first picture my initial thought was... Good grief, I didn't realise the fell was removable! Then I read the captions... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted November 20, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 20, 2016 As I was scrolling and saw the first picture my initial thought was... Good grief, I didn't realise the fell was removable! Then I read the captions... A removable Fell - that's a mind-boggling concept! That first photo, in my previous post, is a bit surreal - I'm just so used to the monstrosity being there! Currently warming the Bunker ready for a bit more tracklaying. Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 I now have visions of the Fell slowly lowering into the floor and Jeff rising up playing a mighty Wurlitzer........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted November 20, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 20, 2016 I now have visions of the Fell slowly lowering into the floor and Jeff rising up playing a mighty Wurlitzer........ Imagery indeed, Peter! I can heartily recommend Bach's organ works and Saint-Saen's lovely Organ Symphony (no. 3). Anyway, off to cut and fit more track. Look forward to more witty comments on my return.... Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted November 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 20, 2016 Lovely shot of the fell in the background here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian D Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Did someone mention the fell? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted November 20, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 20, 2016 I thought Peter's comment about the Wurlitzer was a bit Pythonesque, so Rob's post is spot-on! As for the Fell loco - I hope 'CHARD isn't looking in at the moment. He loathes the thing, and I'm not too keen either. Always reminds me of a brick on wheels and you're unlikely to ever see one on KL2!! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 I believe that the "Fell" did traverse the S&C whilst undertaking controlled road tests in its early days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted November 20, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 20, 2016 I believe that the "Fell" did traverse the S&C whilst undertaking controlled road tests in its early days. Yes, Peter, I think you're correct. Here's a picture of part of Huddersfield MRC's "Kirkby Stephen West", with what appears to be the Fell loco in the background. Jeff 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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