Wickham Green too Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Dunno about bits an' bobs - but get the right chassis kit ( https://www.cambrianmodelrail.co.uk/store/C35-16-6-17-6-RCH-Steel-Underframe-9-wheelbase-36mm-p94497733 ) an' Bob's yer uncle ! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRUNFOS Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 22 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: Dunno about bits an' bobs - but get the right chassis kit ( https://www.cambrianmodelrail.co.uk/store/C35-16-6-17-6-RCH-Steel-Underframe-9-wheelbase-36mm-p94497733 ) an' Bob's yer uncle ! Hi, Thanks for that. Is it a 16'6 or 17'6 length underframe? thanks in advance. paul. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 That van will be 17'6". 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRUNFOS Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Thanks for all the info, glad the van is still alive. Will be asking Steve at Railtec if he could produce the number panel for me. looks like there will be some modelling done in the near future. Thanks again. Paul. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Cyheidre Colliery in South Wales, 24th June 1987 by Jamrail BESSE, BEANS, STOVE, FREN ???? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted April 13, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 13, 2022 4 hours ago, montyburns56 said: Cyheidre Colliery in South Wales, 24th June 1987 by Jamrail BESSE, BEANS, STOVE, FREN ???? Grades of coal?? Regards Ian 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 12 hours ago, Ian Smeeton said: Grades of coal?? Regards Ian Yes; the wagons are in the 'Landsale Yard' which supplied local merchants, as well as the Concessionary Coal for miners (current and retired). Other grades included 'Grains' and 'peas'. This link might be of interest:- https://coalpail.com/coal-heating-encyclopedia/anthracite-coal-sizes 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 21 hours ago, Fat Controller said: Yes; the wagons are in the 'Landsale Yard' which supplied local merchants, as well as the Concessionary Coal for miners (current and retired). Other grades included 'Grains' and 'peas'. This link might be of interest:- https://coalpail.com/coal-heating-encyclopedia/anthracite-coal-sizes The article seems to be American. For those new to the world of coal, it appears that the terminology was specific to local areas. I am not sure that even in God's own county the terms used around Barnsley were the same ars those used twenty miles north in area 8. Often the size descriptor would be combined with the name of the seam it had been extracted from. I guess/ hope that there is more to come on the subject. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 15, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, doilum said: I guess/ hope that there is more to come on the subject. Somewhere out there there must be a "Manual of Coal" running through numerous editions between the 1870s and 1930s... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 I recall a recent post showing an advertisement for a Whitby coal merchant. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted April 15, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 15, 2022 7 hours ago, Compound2632 said: Somewhere out there there must be a "Manual of Coal" running through numerous editions between the 1870s and 1930s... Probably harder to find than 'Fly Fishing' by E. R. Hartley.😁 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted April 15, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 15, 2022 When I were a lad, and god was in short trousers and everything was in black & white because the Beatles didn't invent colour until 1964, our house was coal heated in open fires. I remember that there were different grades of house coal according to size of lumps, as well as the different types of coal, the quality of which was reflected in the price. There were cobbles, nuts, nutty slack, and small coal, and probably others as well but these are what I remember. You could specify a mix from the merchant, so you might have for example a mix of cobbles and nutty slack. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 I may have related the tale of grandma's Christmas cake before. These were an institution. Mixing was always on the Saturday preceding Micklemass. My late father recalled that as a small boy he would be tasked with sorting three buckets of Haigh Moor doubles from the random mix of concessionary coal in the outhouse. Each lump was carefully dusted before being carefully placed in the bucket. Once the cakes were in the oven, the men and boys would be banished, not to return until dark, lest they open the back door and disturb the optimum airflow through the fire and oven. Proper baking. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Ex LMS 3 plank Medfit used as a Tunnel Inspection wagon, ZXO DM477297 Woodhams Scrapyard 1986 by Jamerail 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) Crikey - 11th July 1986 ...... and it was still extant when I photographed it 3/1/87 - the cutting team must have been slacking ! [ If anyone's desperate to model this, my photo's of the other side.] ( That platform looks most awkward to use ! ) Edited April 29, 2022 by Wickham Green too t'other side 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 "LMS design sliding door vanfit numbered in the internal user series as 041253, at Norwich, 7th February 1984." by Jamerail 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Sitham Yard Posted April 29, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 29, 2022 3 hours ago, montyburns56 said: "LMS design sliding door vanfit numbered in the internal user series as 041253, at Norwich, 7th February 1984." by Jamerail This is the variant built by BR to Diagram 1/200. Note the extra plank at the top of the body side. Andrew 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimwal Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Sitham Yard said: This is the variant built by BR to Diagram 1/200. Note the extra plank at the top of the body side. Andrew Identical to LMS D2108. Source: 'An Illustrated History of LMS Wagons' by R J Essery. Volume One (pp60/61). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Sitham Yard Posted April 30, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 30, 2022 8 hours ago, jimwal said: Identical to LMS D2108. Source: 'An Illustrated History of LMS Wagons' by R J Essery. Volume One (pp60/61). Not quite identical as the photo shows BR axleguards, not standard RCH ones as used by the LMS. However it is quite possible they were changed during the later life of the wagon as other late 1960's or 1970's photos show wagons where this change has taken place. So wagon in photo could be from either diagram. Comparison of photos in "An Illustrated History of LMS Wagons Volume 1" and in David Larkins new book "The Acquired Wagons of British Railways Volume 4" shows both 2 part and 3 part corrugated ends Andrew. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Sitham Yard said: Not quite identical as the photo shows BR axleguards, not standard RCH ones as used by the LMS. However it is quite possible they were changed during the later life of the wagon as other late 1960's or 1970's photos show wagons where this change has taken place. So wagon in photo could be from either diagram. Comparison of photos in "An Illustrated History of LMS Wagons Volume 1" and in David Larkins new book "The Acquired Wagons of British Railways Volume 4" shows both 2 part and 3 part corrugated ends Andrew. It is ex B750340 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/internal04xxxxer/e2cf20fb5 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/internal04xxxxer/e26f061ce The accompanying BR ventilated meat van is potentially of more interest to modellers https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmeatvan/ef595f24b Paul 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted April 30, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 30, 2022 50 minutes ago, hmrspaul said: It is ex B750340 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/internal04xxxxer/e2cf20fb5 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/internal04xxxxer/e26f061ce The accompanying BR ventilated meat van is potentially of more interest to modellers https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmeatvan/ef595f24b Paul Certainly easier to model from the Airfix/Dapol kit. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 ex LMS 5 plank open Derby Works 1982 by Jamerail 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted June 28, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 28, 2022 The depot equivalent of leaving an empty skip out? 🙂 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimwal Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 5 hours ago, montyburns56 said: ex LMS 5 plank open Derby Works 1982 by Jamerail Not odd, but by 1982 old, and the wheels even older! 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 18 hours ago, jimwal said: Not odd, but by 1982 old, and the wheels even older! Yeah, I know it's not odd in itself, but still being in use in the 80s was pretty unusual. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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