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12 hours ago, Ian Smeeton said:

 

Grades of coal??

 

Regards

 

Ian

Yes; the wagons are in the 'Landsale Yard' which supplied local merchants, as well as the Concessionary Coal for miners (current and retired). Other grades included 'Grains' and 'peas'. This link might be of interest:- https://coalpail.com/coal-heating-encyclopedia/anthracite-coal-sizes

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21 hours ago, Fat Controller said:

Yes; the wagons are in the 'Landsale Yard' which supplied local merchants, as well as the Concessionary Coal for miners (current and retired). Other grades included 'Grains' and 'peas'. This link might be of interest:- https://coalpail.com/coal-heating-encyclopedia/anthracite-coal-sizes

The article seems to be American. For those new to the world of coal, it appears that the terminology was specific to local areas. I am not sure that even in God's own county the terms used around Barnsley were the same ars those used twenty miles north in area 8. Often the size descriptor would be combined with the name of the seam it had been extracted from. I guess/ hope that there is more to come on the subject.

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7 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

 

Somewhere out there there must be a "Manual of Coal" running through numerous editions between the 1870s and 1930s...

Probably harder to find than 'Fly Fishing' by E. R. Hartley.😁

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When I were a lad, and god was in short trousers and everything was in black & white because the Beatles didn't invent colour until 1964, our house was coal heated in open fires.  I remember that there were different grades of house coal according to size of lumps, as well as the different types of coal, the quality of which was reflected in the price.  There were cobbles, nuts, nutty slack, and small coal, and probably others as well but these are what I remember.  You could specify a mix from the merchant, so you might have for example a mix of cobbles and nutty slack.

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I may have related the tale of grandma's Christmas cake before. These were an institution. Mixing was always on the Saturday preceding Micklemass. My late father recalled that as a small boy he would be tasked with sorting three buckets of Haigh Moor doubles from the random mix of concessionary coal in the outhouse. Each lump was carefully dusted before being carefully placed in the bucket. Once the cakes were in the oven, the men and boys would be banished, not to return until dark, lest they open the back door and disturb the optimum airflow through the fire and oven. Proper baking.

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Crikey - 11th July 1986 ...... and it was still extant when I photographed it 3/1/87 - the cutting team must have been slacking ! [ If anyone's desperate to model this, my photo's of the other side.]

 

( That platform looks most awkward to use ! )

Edited by Wickham Green too
t'other side
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3 hours ago, montyburns56 said:

"LMS design sliding door vanfit numbered in the internal user series as 041253, at Norwich, 7th February 1984."  by Jamerail

 

041253 LMS vanfit [CBR 2-131]

 

This is the variant built by BR to Diagram 1/200. Note the extra plank at the top of the body side.

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1 hour ago, Sitham Yard said:

This is the variant built by BR to Diagram 1/200. Note the extra plank at the top of the body side.

Andrew 

Identical to LMS D2108. 

 

Source: 'An Illustrated History of LMS Wagons' by R J Essery.

                Volume One   (pp60/61).

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8 hours ago, jimwal said:

Identical to LMS D2108. 

 

Source: 'An Illustrated History of LMS Wagons' by R J Essery.

                Volume One   (pp60/61).

Not quite identical as the photo shows BR axleguards, not standard RCH ones as used by the LMS. However it is quite possible they were changed during the later life of the wagon as other late 1960's or 1970's photos show wagons where this change has taken place. So wagon in photo could be from either diagram. 

 

Comparison of photos in "An Illustrated History of LMS Wagons Volume 1" and in David Larkins new book "The Acquired Wagons of British Railways Volume 4" shows both 2 part and 3 part corrugated ends

Andrew. 

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3 hours ago, Sitham Yard said:

Not quite identical as the photo shows BR axleguards, not standard RCH ones as used by the LMS. However it is quite possible they were changed during the later life of the wagon as other late 1960's or 1970's photos show wagons where this change has taken place. So wagon in photo could be from either diagram. 

 

Comparison of photos in "An Illustrated History of LMS Wagons Volume 1" and in David Larkins new book "The Acquired Wagons of British Railways Volume 4" shows both 2 part and 3 part corrugated ends

Andrew. 

It is ex B750340   https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/internal04xxxxer/e2cf20fb5  https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/internal04xxxxer/e26f061ce   The accompanying BR ventilated meat van is potentially of more interest to modellers  https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmeatvan/ef595f24b

 

Paul

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50 minutes ago, hmrspaul said:

It is ex B750340   https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/internal04xxxxer/e2cf20fb5  https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/internal04xxxxer/e26f061ce   The accompanying BR ventilated meat van is potentially of more interest to modellers  https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmeatvan/ef595f24b

 

Paul

Certainly easier to model from the Airfix/Dapol kit.

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